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Dec. 12, 2007
Subject: As time passes, more support for Tinsley
It amazes me that fans in Indiana are quick to quit on a team that has had a few average years. If the Pacers were 15-5, and Jamaal was having the type of year he is currently having, this would hardly be a big deal at all. Name one team at any sport that doesnt have a few thugs on their team. Get over it, we go to the games to support the organization, team, and the city, not just Jamaal Tinsley. So it frustrates me to hear people say I'm not going to any more Pacer games. Why? because one of our players got shot at because he was out late. Thats not a legit reason. Get over it.
J.T. is a good player and he has showed that this season he can really flourish in the new fast-paced offense. His on-court play is only one side of his responsibility that he takes on when he becomes a professional athlete, though. Pro athletes are in the spotlight all the time in this country, that is all there is to it. Anything and everything they do is going to be scrutinized. J.T. has made some bad decisions in the last year-and-a-half that have put him and the franchise in a bad light. He has been in three "incidents" that have involved late-night altercations. After one maybe you think before you act but after two do yourself and the franchise a favor and lay low. This is not a third time's a charm moment, this time it was almost third time is the last time.
So Jamaal Tinsley has, once again, gotten himself into a bad off-court situation. Most likely he didn't expect this situation to happen and that is why he went out to a nightclub with his brothers, just to have some fun. He admitted that he made a mistake and he apologized for it and I commend him for doing so. So why don't you naysayers do the same and be grateful that he isn't hurt.
Jamaal, I still support you. I'm glad you were not seriously injured, and I pray this incident will encourage you to truly make wiser choices.
Was Jamaal Tinsley guilty of exercising poor judgment by being out so late at night at a place where very little good can result at that hour of the night? Absolutely. Does he deserve to be shot at with a high-powered rifle simply because of the car he drives or the money he has in his bank account? Absolutely not. You express tremendous outrage at the fact that Tinsley was at a night club at 3 a.m. but where is your outrage that a human being would shot someone simply because of the car they drive or the money they have in the bank? This should be so much more about changing an ill in society than punishing a player for being at a night club at 3 a.m. (and not violating any laws, or team or league rules).
It's abolutely absurd that so-called Pacer fans are asking for Tinsley to be traded after the latest incident. He is the backbone of this team. I plan to continue to support this team and attend games at Conseco.
Dec. 11, 2007
Subject: Fans divided on Tinsley incident
It would be great if people could always manage their personal lives as well as their professional careers, but that isn’t always the case. From Jack Welch to Mike Tyson, we see stratospheric talents that make disastrous personal choices. Top CEOs, entertainers and athletes sometimes do not have the personal common sense to find their way out of a paper bag. With regards to Tinsley, I’ll say, “play basketball, follow the rules." With regards to management, I’ll say, “tailor the rules to manage the person." Obviously, some people need to operate within in a tighter set of constraints. Which is worse – driving a Rolls-Royce to a (nightclub) at 3:30 a.m. or a one-size-fits-all set of team rules and freedoms when you have incident-prone employees? Come on Pacers, get smart.
This is a classic lose-lose situation from a business standpoint. The Pacers will continue to lose fans and revenue as long as these incidents continue to occur, regardless of whether this particular incident can or should be punished by the franchise according to the player's contract or the collective bargaining agreement. Jamaal makes himself less and less marketable by his own hand, effectively removing any practical options from the Pacers' arsenal.
While I appreciate the opinions of others, I feel that Jamaal Tinsley is taking unjust criticism from this latest incident. Sure he had no business being at Cloud 9 at that time, in a Rolls Royce ... however, he is a man who is of legal age to be there. He certainly made some poor decisions, but until the facts show otherwise, he wasn't out looking for trouble. When I first heard of this incident, my first reaction was, "Oh, you have got to be kidding me", but from all I have gathered to this point, he was an innocent victim who made some very poor choices. While I agree that a professional athlete needs to be more mature in his thought process, he is still a human being and has every right to go to clubs like anyone else. I'm just not real sure that Jamaal deserves all of this negative reaction from people. I have seen a major difference in Jamaal's attitude this year, and I do think he is making an attempt to do right, at least he took the initiative to apologize to the right people, especially his son. Perhaps these high-profile basketball players need to make a change in where they decide to hang out, and for how long, as opposed to not living and enjoying life. I know a lot of fans will disagree with my opinion, but I just get the feeling that the only thing Jamaal is guilty of is poor decision making. Sure the organization didn't need another black eye, but this time it seems as if trouble just came calling, it wasn't being hunted.
So Tinsley will not be punished by the team? Unbelievable! Simply unbelievable! I have never been so disappointed by Larry Bird. I have been a Pacer fan since childhood and this is the final straw for me. I understand that Tinsley didn't fire the shots, etc.. The fact still remains that he just refuses to use good judgment and Larry not punishing him only says "it's OK J.T., I don't mind if you have had this problem three times." If Larry wants to preach accountability and community, here was his chance to say no more. Yet he lets it slide. I, for one, am done.
Here we go again, fans asking for Jamaal to be traded! Come on! Yes, I agree he needs to stay out of nightclubs where there are thugs who want to cause him trouble. It's not fair, because he should be able to go where he wants when he wants, but obviously it is not safe for him. So, he needs to quit putting himself in these situations! But I, for one, am really enjoying watching the Pacers play this season so let's just get past this and keep on playing! Jamaal is my favorite player, and I'm just thankful that he was not seriously injured!
My organization (a hospital) purchased Pacers tickets this year agreeing among us that if they didn't get better, we would cancel for next season. I distribute the tickets to the physicians on a free basis upon request. In years past, we have had people lined up for tickets; this year, I can't beg anyone to take them because of the feeling that they are thugs. ... Jamaal wants us to believe he's a good family man (the Indianapolis Star story a month or so ago) and a role model for his siblings. Well, exactly what does he think he's teaching them?
I would like to respond to disappointment from fellow Pacers fans surrounding the recent incident. I completely agree that Jamaal has been involved in too many of such incidents, but I also think that more fans should take a look at what the team is doing on the court and the support that Tinsley is receiving from his teammates and coach off the court. His teammates and coach agree that this cannot happen anymore, but have been impressed with his leadership on the court and in the locker room this year, as J.O. stated. If the organization wants to help him and he is willing to help himself, which seems to be the case as far as basketball is concerned, we as fans must rally around Tinsley and give him one more chance. This team could go far and a trade would only disrupt the chemistry this team has been developing.
I am truly amazed. I hope the team owners and management realize the discontent of the fan base. Three barroom fights at late hours, two featuring gunplay, certainly cannot go unpunished. Suspend, cut, trade, or cut him...whatever is possible. We have had a ticket plan since 1992; and have seen many players come and go. Not all were good players, and certainly not all were perfect citizens. We don't expect perfection, but we do expect a reasonable amount self-discipline from the the players. Each game now includes an announcement and explanation of the "NBA code of conduct." It is time this applies to the employees as well as the paying public. If Jamaal Tinsley is still on the roster when renewal time comes up for next year, I can assure you we will not renew.
People of Indiana need to get a clue. Jamaal Tinsley was a victim in this situation. I am ashamed of Pacer fans for not supporting the guy. I am sure he was scared half to death being shot at, then people make it worst by dogging on him. People say trade him; we made mistakes trading Jackson and Artest instead of supporting them the way we should have. I support my Pacers and its time for people to start supporting them again.
I decided last year I would not go to another Pacer game as long as Tinsley was playing and I have stuck to my guns (no pun intended). Guess I won't be going to another Pacer game for a long time.
I want to say that I support Jamaal Tinsley. Yes he has made some mistakes off the court in the past but I believe that he is a victim in this situation. As we have seen, many athletes have been targets in the past few months and they need to be more careful. Tinsley did put himself in a dangerous situation but I will continue to support one of my favorite players and hope the rest of Indiana is able to forgive him and cheer on the Pacers towards the playoffs.
Dec. 10, 2007
Subject: Fans fed up with Tinsley's off-court incidents
Jamaal Tinsley involved in another bar incident at (a local bar)? When does it ever end? This season I think the Pacers are finally playing better and what do you know, another incident involving Jamaal Tinsley at a bar. Jermaine O'Neal is finally healthy, the team is running and gunning, and I, as a fan, can see a lot of improvements from last year. The team is finally taking pride in what they do and turning up the intensity on defensive end. I think we can go deep into the playoffs this year if we keep up this type of play. The only thing we have to do is keep on getting better and better and I think the head coach can keep that happening. About Jamaal Tinsley though, I think whether he was in the wrong or not, he was in the wrong situation at the wrong time. It always seems to be at a bar or a club. I know Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh already took care of some players on the team that were acting too much like "thugs" and I think they should put their foot down again. You can't be a great basketball player and a great partier at the same time. It's time we get someone in here that can play ball and have a player that has a good head on their shoulders to know not to be in those situations. We need a team player and right now I don't think Jamal Tinsley is thinking about his team.
I know there will be a bunch of Pacer apologists that will say that we should not rush to judgment because we do not know the facts. These people just need to shut their mouths. If this were the first time Jamaal Tinsley was in the news for the wrong reason then maybe he gets a pass. However, Tinsley habitually gets in to trouble. People do not just shoot at you for no reason. Jamaal grew up very poor. But now because of the Pacer organization he has basically hit the lottery in life. How does he repay the organization that has given him the financial means to get away from all of that? He continually stays out until closing time in areas of town that will get him in to trouble. Tinsley is playing very well right now. The time to trade is now. If the Pacers keep him they are slapping the few remaining season ticket holders in the face. If Bird stands behind Tinsley again it is time for both of them to go immediately. How many chances do they get?
So Tinsley is involved in another shooting. Yeah, yeah, not his fault, someone was after him, yada yada. If he wasn't out at 3:40 in the morning, it wouldn't have happened. I get it -- he's young and rich, but come on, start going home at a reasonable hour and these things won't happen. Both his and J.O.'s stock are at reasonable highs right now. Trade 'em and trade 'em fast.
Dec. 3, 2007
Subject: Pacers weathered O'Neal's absence well
Wow, I am thoroughly enjoying watching Pacers basketball this season. I haven't been able to say that and mean it 100 percent since Reggie left. This team looks like it has been given new life, and the perfect motivation of low expectations. That sounds a lot like the squad when Larry Brown came in. If anyone can remember that far back, it resulted in a deep playoff run. With Tinsley, Murphy, Dunleavy, and Harrison playing way beyond expectations and Granger and Williams coming into their own, this team promises to be quality entertainment throughout the season. The only thing I can complain about is the silly turnovers. I know they come along more often with an up-tempo team like ours, but some of them just make my head shake. On the subject of Jermaine O'Neal .... we are better without an injured J.O. because he has played hurt. But if he is 100 percent, then he can be the big-time player we all know he is capable of being, and keep up with the rest of the team. Remember how Ike Diogu was playing so well early before he got hurt? Well, Jermaine can play like that too, only with a bigger, stronger frame and a lot more veteran savvy. He can do so within the chemistry of the team as well, which we all know is incredibly important to any basketball team. I can't wait until they both come back 100 percent.
When the Pacers figured out that O'Neal wasn't going to be there to score for them, they didn't panic. Jim O'Brien is beginning to focus the Pacers on a West Coast offense that involves speed, passing and role positions. On Pacers.com, there is a poll considering the Pacers best player this season, and I will argue that there is no "one best player" as there has been in the past like J.O. This season without Jermaine, we have fit many role positions and our bench hasn't been deeper in five years. Instead of having normal positions like a point guard or center, we have passers, rebounders, scorers, defensive players, and so on. Take Jamaal Tinsley for instance, he has never been a better passer until this year, and this also opens up his scoring opportunities. Or Jeff Foster, he is finally getting recognized for his rebounding ability, and he is currently third in rebounding per 48 minutes in the Eastern Conference. These specific players are revealing their role positions and trying to show the other Pacers how great the team can be when they are all working as a unit. The last thing I will mention is scoring. While Danny Granger is leading the Pacers in points per game, he is also leading them in field goals attempted per game. We are experiencing many key scorers like Dunleavy, Daniels, and Ike Diogu proved to be a scorer when he was on the floor. These players shoot a high percentage from the field and should be used more.
I agree with several of the previous comments. I think that the Pacers play better without Jermaine O'Neal. Everyone plays harder and steps up their game. Still, to be fair, O'Neal has been injured. I still believe he has the most talent on the team. I would love to see how the Pacers play with him back and near 100 percent. However, if he does seem to hold the team back what about changing his role? I realize that this year it already has, from less scoring to more passing but what potential other roles could he fill? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love J.O., always have, but if he could help the team excel in a different role, why not try it? Please understand this isn't a put down to O'Neal, I just want to make sure every player is utilized to the best of their ability and the best of the team. Go get 'em Jermaine!
I love the Pacers! We are always underestimated. I like the way that the Pacers play together. We don’t need just one big star. We work together and play the way basketball is supposed to be played.
Nov. 30, 2007
Subject: Several players raising level of performance
You know, I always enjoy reading the fan blogs because Pacers fans are so intelligent and right on the money with their assessments. I just wanted to add my opinions to theirs. Joe in Portland, Maine stated that the Indiana Pacers have been playing better in Jermaine O'Neal's absence, and he is correct. That's not a knock on J.O. by any stretch, as he is still our premier player. However, when he is out players just have to step up and this team has been excellent at doing so. Don in Los Angeles raved about the play of Jamaal Tinsley and he has every reason to do so because Jamaal has been playing very similar to his rookie season and I think this has always been the way Jamaal Tinsley has been capable of playing, but Coach Carlisle's system just didn't fit the free style of play that Tinsley possesses. I am not shocked at Jamaal's play because he has proven in the past that he can play at this level. Dunleavy fits into this system perfectly and Jeff Foster is simply one of the best, if not the best offensive rebounder in the game. Granger is without question the future of this team, and Williams is a fine complement to him. Daniels is a quirky type of player and he is difficult to defend for most. Pacers fans also need to keep in mind that Kareem Rush will eventually settle in and become a key player offensively, not to mention that we are still missing Ike Diogu. I am very impressed with the way things are shaping up and I am really looking forward to seeing where this team is around midseason.
Subject: If Tinsley keeps playing like this, Pacers have a shot
When you compare Jamaal's court demeanor this year with last year, it's evident he's looser, he's enjoying himself and he's finally getting to play to his strengths. It's no wonder his emotions seem to be in check and his technical fouls are down. He isn't going into games annoyed and frustrated at the mere notion of having to comply with an offensive system that is poorly matched with his basketball strengths. As I understand it, Jamaal grew up playing hoops in the amateur basketball hoops Mecca of Rucker Park. Rick Carlisle's rigid offensive system never suited Jamaal's game. Asking Jamaal to be Rick's starting point guard was a little bit like asking a thoroughbred racing horse to be a plowhorse. Thankfully, Larry Bird had the smarts to bring in a horse of a different color - namely Jim O'Brien. (I only wish he'd done it sooner, but perhaps he needed to have full control of the Pacers' basketball operations before he could bring in the right coach.) Anyway, the pairing of coach and point guard finally seems to be a match. What do those corny matchmaking web sites call it: Deep compatibility? Die hard Pacers fans know that as Jamaal goes, generally, so go the Pacers. It's early still, but it would seem that with Jamaal happy and playing his tail off, the Pacers might have a shot at making some noise this year in the Eastern Conference.
Subject: Team's performance in O'Neal's absence raises questions
These may be extremely unpopular questions, since they're aimed at the heart of the team, but maybe that's why they need to be asked. Is Jermaine O'Neal holding the Pacers back? I'm sorry. I like the guy a lot. He's got a lot of class, but when have you ever seen him take over a game that was competitive? Or inflict his will on another team? How many times have you seen him hit a crucial, game deciding shot? And how many times have we seen the team flourish with him unable to play? Maybe it's the mindset of a team that has leaned on him for scoring, rebounding and defense for so long that when he's in, they lose faith in themselves, but it's hard to deny that the team is more of a team without their superstar.
Whenever the Pacers head out West, my hope is they come back at least having split the games against the Western Conference teams. With the gutsy wins in Denver and Portland, the Pacers are guaranteed the split. If they can maintain their intensity, they should be able to take Seattle and hold their own against the Clippers. It would be a huge confidence boost to take three out of four or even sweep the West Coast swing. With regards to Jermaine, I am not the only one who has noticed how much better the Pacers play without Jermaine in the lineup. Maybe it is because he has been playing at 60 percent but the offense seems to sputter when he is in the game. I used to think Jermaine was critical to the Pacers returning to their glory years but now I see the team does not need the big superstar to win games. Keep up the great work.
Nov. 28, 2007
Subject: Team's transformation well under way
The Pacers are decidedly better. Their growth in maturity and professionalism, sorely tested by the horrendous refereeing at Denver, is becoming obvious. Harrison has lost weight, gained mobility, and maybe because he is in the last year of his contract, has got his game face on now. If he continues to aggressively attack the rim, block shots, and send bodies to the floor he can help us immensely. Dunleavy, who always plays well, is now shooting with confidence. Granger took the challenges of the off-season to heart and is in great condition. Williams can run with the ball and has shooting range. Hopefully he can beef up and play in the lane more. Tinsley’s downcourt passing is a new look. I’d like to see us play with even more edginess and physicality, but it looks like the team’s transformation is well under way.
Nov. 26, 2007
Subject: Tinsley progressing into consistent producer
It may be too early to declare victory, but it might be that Jamaal Tinsley is growing into a good point guard. His decisions are getting better, minus the crazy 3-pointers, and he’s becoming a player the opposing team can no longer count on. Most importantly, he’s tempering his emotions and frustrations which used to result in technicals and ejections. I know that I’m overstating his progress a little, but if he continues trending these positive developments, and keeps this team focused on winning, he might become Mark Jackson.
Subject: When they're on, Pacers look very good
Wow, the Pacers have been playing absolutely exquisite the last three out of four games. I am afraid to say it, but the Pacers have been playing very well with Jermaine's absence. I think O'Neal actually hurts this club when he plays injured because he gets the same amount of touches as if he is healthy, only he cannot execute offensively and leaves guys without touches. Since O'Neal's absence, Troy Murphy and Shawne Williams have gotten way more touches and have gotten to show their true game, and it's great! Tinsley, Granger, and Murphy have been ridiculous and are the backbone of this team. I also want to commend Foster who has given this team so many second-chance opportunities with his aggressive offense rebounding, We always can use a second shot at making a bucket! I've been very pleased with this recent surge of professional play, and I hope this Pacers team will sustain this. I want to see Jermaine 100 percent healthy before he gets back on this court, because when he does, this team can finally put all the pieces together, and ultimately make a legitimate push in the postseason.
I've noticed when we play well we can contend with anybody in the league; we look amazing when we play well. I realize that could be said about any team but look at the last few wins we've had, the Hornets and the Mavs. Those are quality teams. Look up fans, maybe if you'd pay attention to the team you claim to love you'd realize we're not that bad!
So far my predictions for the Pacers are almost on point. Danny Granger and Mike Dunleavy are leading the way in points for the Pacers, and Mike is becoming more confident with his shooting. A surprise for me is the bench. Ike Diogu and Shawne Williams have surpassed my expectations. Marquis Daniels is a lot healthier than last season and his playing shows it. David Harrison is a little more dominant, but still is struggling with fouls. Travis Diener and Kareem Rush are fitting in nicely into the system but Kareem is not playing the same as he was in the summer league. I would like to see more of Stephen Graham and Andre Owens on the floor instead of the bench and feel free to use Courtney Sims. Jeff Foster is as feisty. Troy Murphy is playing big, no pun intended, and I want to see even more from Jermaine when he is at 100 percent. Jamaal Tinsley is happy and it's showing, but I am seeing some of the same mistakes he made last year in clutch situations. Now it is time for the rain cloud. They need a few more scrappy players with the willingness to play until the game is over, especially when there is a shortage of centers and forwards and point guards. If the Pacers can add some more depth to the bench with a couple of versatile big men, they could become one of the top contenders. Earlier this year I said that the Pacers should not be afraid to trade in the same conference. That's just a little something to think about before the trade deadline comes around.
Nov. 23, 2007
Subject: It's a little early to give up on the season
Is it early enough to give up on the season already? Come on, the Pacers are (5-7), it's not like we're 0-10 or anything. Sure, we lost six in a row, but we were a couple of plays from winning each of those games. We could easily be sitting here right now being (8-4) and everyone would be talking about how great we are. Please give these guys a chance before you go trash talking them. Maybe I'm the only positive Pacer fan here.
Nov. 19, 2007
Subject: Pacers look like a work in progress
I have only watched bits and pieces but from what I see, the Pacers are very much a work in progress. Sure, we are lacking talent at a lot of positions. The talent level makes it hard to win games, but it is what we have to work with. I can support that. What I have trouble with is Tinsley letting other guards drive in for layup practice while he carries 15 extra pounds of baby fat. Williams could have added 15 pounds in the weight room. Only Granger, Daniels and Rush look in peak condition. I can accept our current lack of talent. I can’t accept a lack of preparation and effort.
The fast start for the Pacers has been nice for the fans. I have been to two home games and the Pacers are definitely more fun to watch then they were last year. However, even with the new offense some of the same old problems still exist and will be exposed when the Pacers start to play teams that have winning records and talent. Tinsley is still only playing half-hearted defense. While Dunleavy is putting up great offensive stats he is still way too slow and a defensive liability. I saw him get blocked on a fast break because the defender caught him from behind. With these two playing poor defense out front it is up to Jermaine again to protect the paint. While this team is certainly more fun to watch they are going nowhere. Even if this team can sneak in to the playoffs there is no way they get out of the first round. I have to give Larry Bird credit for his choice of coach. He is the first step in the rebuilding process. Now he needs to make the tough roster moves necessary to get the Pacers back in contention.
The Pacers could score more often if they would help Foster rebound. Too many times I see 3-4 (opponent) shirts and perhaps 1 white under the back board when after a shot has been taken. It is a proven fact that the only way to score is to have the big round thing!
Subject: Diogu's scoring, rebounding missed
It seems to me that the we need (Ike Diogu's) rebounding and scoring abilities from the bench. Since Diogu's been out injured the Pacers have gone into a slump. I think Ike gives that little extra for the team to win games. So far he has been the most consistent player on the roster. Am I wrong?
Nov. 15, 2007
Subject: Pacers not playing aggressively enough
Some would say it's too early to panic, but I see some old familiar very disturbing trends: Pacer ballplayers in crunch time running around with no confidence like deer in headlights. I'm looking for some warriors! I'm looking for some desire to be number one! I'm looking for more than effort: I'm looking for purpose and determination. Pacer fans don't want to feel like they want it more than the players themselves. Players like Daniels, Harrison, Williams, Diener, Diogu, etc., who are getting playing time without the full weight of the organization riding on their backs have the perfect opportunity to distinguish themselves as leaders and a warriors. There's no restraints...it's all about how bad one wants it.
Where is the hard-nosed basketball? I think that the offseason moves were much-needed and will reap benefits, but we must begin to play basketball on a level that doesn’t allow us to take any possession for granted. We do have the talent, but we need to step up our defensive pressure and go after every rebound, loose ball and make opponents pay if they try to attack the rim (this is where David Harrison could reap benefits for the team). As a fan, I don’t see the aggressive mentality or the solid defense that we are capable of playing. The team needs to help Jeff when it comes to rebounding and we need Jermaine to be that 20-10 All-Star that we are used to seeing. I am excited about the team and I believe that we will make the playoffs this year.
As a Pacers fan, it's so frustrating to say the least. When I watch this team play, I get tired. I don't know how to explain this, but I feel like even when we are winning, we're just lame. This team just makes the most careless and silliest mistakes that NBA players aren't supposed to do. I see so many questionable plays from some of the players that makes me cringe. Our team is constantly fouling people to make up for our lazy defense. Where is the emotion and the drive?
The recent slide by the Pacers has exposed what most fans knew but were hoping wouldn't be exposed. These Pacers are the same Pacers from last season. Although I like some of our new bench players the old bench players were not the problem. The problem is that some of our starters are not very good. Each of them has his strength but only Jermaine O'Neal is a complete player on both sides of the ball. Danny Granger is getting there but needs to work on his offensive consistency. Every other starter has at least one major flaw with their game. Some of them try to play defense but lack the quickness. While others are capable but unwilling to play defense. Until the Pacers get some players that are both willing and capable of playing defense the results are going to remain the same. A new coach and a new scheme can only do so much. At some point Larry Bird is going to have to realize that when you have the same players you are going to get the same results.
Nov. 13, 2007
Subject: Free-throw disparity hurting Pacers badly
An often overlooked aspect of the end-game statistics is the free throw differential. Most people assume that, if at the end of the game the foul counts are consistent, it was a fairly called game. However, for those paying close attention, the Pacers have been continually behind in free throw attempts, often early in the game where it usually dictates the end result. In the Denver game, the foul trouble allowed Denver to get back into the game. The organization should compile stats on this inequity and send it to the league office for further review.
I have to agree completely with Don regarding the disrespect that the referees are showing David Harrison, but I think it is safe to take it one step further and say that Jeff Foster is also getting unfair treatment. Jeff has had a very difficult time getting into any kind of rhythm, and I think it's unfair as well, especially with his experience. It bothers me when I watch a game and I hear Quinn Buckner laugh and say, "He isn't going to get that call because he hasn't been in the league long enough." Why can't the NBA referees just call the game fairly? I mean, If you commit a foul, it should not matter if you are Scot Pollard or Shaquille O'Neal. A foul is a foul is a foul, and it is a shame that the NBA feels it is necessary to create stars, rather than call the game fair and square and let the real stars rise to the top.
Subject: Without better defense, offensive scheme won't matter
The recent slide by the Pacers has exposed what most fans knew but were hoping wouldn't be exposed. These Pacers are the same Pacers from last season. Although I like some of our new bench players the old bench players were not the problem. The problem is that some of our starters are not very good. Each of them has his strength but only Jermaine O'Neal is a complete player on both sides of the ball. Danny Granger is getting there but needs to work on his offensive consistency. Every other starter has at least one major flaw with their game. Some of them try to play defense but lack the quickness, while others are capable but unwilling to play defense. Larry Bird hoped that with the new up-tempo offense that the Pacers could outshoot their opponents and mask the fact that they do not defend very well. Last year they lost games with scores in the low 90s. This year they lose games scoring in the 100s. Until the Pacers get some players that are both willing and capable of playing defense the results are going to remain the same. A new coach and a new scheme can only do so much. At some point Larry is going to have to realize that when you have the same players you are going to get the same results.
Nov. 12, 2007
Subject: Harrison not being treated fairly by refs
Half or more of the fouls called on David Harrison are not fouls at all. He is being victimized by his reputation, which is unethical. In the past, the NBA had Jordan Rules, where Michael Jordan had little touch fouls called for him all night long: Now the NBA has Harrison Rules, where if David comes within 2 inches of an out-of-control, off-balance player driving to the basket, he automatically gets called for the foul. He is a young player trying to learn the NBA game, and it's simply not fair. Pacers management should compile a video of all the bogus fouls called against him so far this year, and send it to the league office for review. Pacers management should continue to push David to be more mature on the court, but they should also go to bat for him in a massively proactive way.
Subject: Team has promise but lacks go-to scorer
This team is showing great promise. They have many different players that can step up on any given night when someone else on the roster might be having an off night. However, the Pacers are still lacking that go-to scoring/shooter when they absolutely have to get a shot. I think this team is very close to being a power in the East but it is going to take one more roster move to get them there. I hope Larry pulls the trigger on a trade to push this team over the top.
I got very, very excited when we were 3-0. The guys really gave us a teaser but now it looks like we're doomed to another season of losing to bad teams by way of 14 point quarters. Wasn't the up-tempo offense supposed to take care of that problem?
Nov. 8, 2007
Subject: Conventional wisdom might not be so wise
When I saw the ESPN magazine article that picked the Pacers to finish dead last in the Eastern conference, my first thought was, “how could they be that bad?” My second thought was, “I’m really happy now." Conventional wisdom sees a superstar-less team with a malcontent and injury-prone big man surrounded by cast-off underachievers. But you know what? I don’t much like the conventional wisdom in the NBA today. I think that the simple, fundamental, hard working, ego-less, team approach insisted upon by Larry Bird and executed by Coach O’Brien may just turn today’s NBA on its head. And I’m happy about that.
I believe the Pacers are headed back in the right direction this season. The beginning of the season has been exciting to watch. Like many fans, I was down on some players and the management team. However, I think the first big step occurred this year when Larry Bird made a strong stand and stated "this is my team." With Larry bringing in a rejuvenated coach in Jim O'Brien with his up-tempo offensive system along with defensive-minded assistant coach Dick Harter, the players and coaches are meshing well. The team chemistry looks terrific and the new conditioned players are fitting nicely into the new system. I'm thankful Jermaine O'Neal is still a Pacer. Jermaine's defensive presence and team leadership is vital for the Pacers success this season. It may be early in the season, but boy I'm excited about this year.
We need to not overlook the fact the Pacers have beaten teams with a combined record of 0-8. I'm also a season ticket holder and I have to admit we have looked good from the preseason until now. We are playing a more up-tempo game but our defense has been awful. We are letting guards penetrate at will and it will catch up to us with better teams. Getting everyone healthy will help and I definitely like the fact that we're not watching our offense throw the ball to Jermaine and stand around. Jermaine is an All-Star, not a superstar and he needs to realize this. Our best players to this point are obviously Dunleavy and Granger. So far so good but we will see how we respond against good teams.
Nov. 6, 2007
Subject: O'Brien's impact immediate, positive
Wow, the Pacers are starting to bring me back. Ever since the Detroit brawl, I had kind of lost interest in the NBA and the Pacers. For a long time I figured it was going to be get the TNT and blow the organization up and start back at the beginning. I had been looking for any kind of excuse to say, hey, maybe the Jim O'Brien style will be better suited to the Pacer players. But they were going to have prove that they could win in big-point games and tougher Eastern Conference teams. Enter the Miami Heat and Memphis Grizzlies. The Pacers pulled out a win against a tough NBA Finals caliber team. Then downed 121 points agains the Grizzlies to go 3-0. Slowly, but surely, the 3-0 start is definitely an indication that the Pacers style of play has definitely changed, and the best thing they did in the offseason was change coaches. I'm not going to blame Carlisle for anything, but maybe it was just time for a change, maybe with this coach, the Pacers might get up there to the NBA Finals again, but that's most likely a long way away, and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
Subject: Pacers really need J.O. in the middle
After watching the first three games with and without J.O., I have to confess that I have a slight change of heart about him. During the summer I was ready to trade him and move on (sorry, J.O.). Now I say he is an important part of our team. We need his defense in the middle along with his rebounding. I still say, however, that Jermaine is not a clutch offensive player. I think the men to go to consistently in the clutch are Dunleavy and Granger. Of course, with the recent performance of Kareem Rush, that opinion may change as the season progresses. I am looking forward to the rest of the season, I can see 50 wins or more in our future.
Nov. 5, 2007
Subject: The Pacers are winning fans back
It's certainly a nice start by the Pacers and here are a few things to like so far. The biggest thing is the attitude on the court. Unlike late last year, the team now plays like it expects to win a game. If someone misses a shot, or a play doesn't go their way, it's not the end of the world. Just keep playing and try to get it right the next time. And it's nice to see some movement and passing in the half court offense. Other teams actually have to play defense against more than one player. And while NBA players are great athletes, Coach O'Brien's priority on physical condition makes a difference late in games, whether it's having fresher legs to shoot, or a little more energy to get back on defense. While I'm not ready to say this team is ready to challenge for the NBA title by any stretch, they are figuring out how to get the job done not just one game at a time, but one play at a time. And that's made this team enjoyable to watch in the early going.
I did not renew my season tickets this year, but I like the way that the Pacers are playing right now. For the first time in quite a while they look like a team, not a bunch of individuals. If they keep this up, I may have to reconsider not buying my tickets. Keep it up Pacers, win or lose, you are exciting right now.
The Pacers have now played enough games under O’Brien for fans to get an idea of how this year is going to go. The team will be fun to watch with the new gimmick fun and gun offense. The Pacers will be better than last year defensively but will still struggle because of lack of athleticism. This team will beat the bottom-feeders and lose to the contenders. The East is bad enough that if this squad can keep itself together they could possibly back-door their way into the playoffs. However, this team is not built for the playoffs. In the playoffs the game slows down and becomes a halfcourt game. The fun and gun offense will not work in the playoffs. So what have we learned from preseason? The Pacers will have to play their best all season to be a middle of the road team. As long as the expectations are not high the team could be fun to watch.
As a season ticket holder I've gone to both homes games and wow has it been fun. Sure it's always fun when you win, but this team and the way they play really makes it fun to watch. Last year we watched as everyone stood around while J.O. went one-on-one, (not knocking J.O., but that was Carlisle's gameplan, to take advantage of J.O.'s mismatch, but it was too often). Now everyone is involved in the scoring, we have a lot of pretty good shooters (Dunleavy, Granger, Ike, Deiner, Rush, Murphy) and they all move to get open and when they have a good shot they all shoot, making it hard for the defense. The pace of the offense is fun, the work ethic on defense allows you to be proud of the team you're rooting for. It's easy to root and support teams when they are winning. A truly great city and fan supports their team in good times and in bad; let's make an effort to go support the Pacers win or lose, because the more support we give, the better our organization will be able to put a contender on the floor. Conseco Fieldhouse is the best facility in the whole NBA, and you can get tickets in any price range. I guarantee if you go watch this team you'll understand what I'm talking about and will want to follow and support the Pacers again.
Nov. 2, 2007
Subject: Team looks like it can find ways to win
I loved the opener! I like what Coach O'Brien is doing. Great effort and heart shown by all players last night. That's all I can ask for. I haven't been a big Tinsley fan to date but I could see changing my mind if he continues to show the kind of passion he's putting out now. It was a breakout game for Harrison, too. I hope he keeps feeling it like he did (Wednesday) night. Ike's coming along nicely - that killer dunk was awesome. Diener's a spark plug - I can see now why they took a chance on him over one of my old favorites, Darrell Armstrong. We could have lost that game and I still would have been impressed. It's nice to win, though. Way to go, Pacers!
I think this team does have the ability to surprise many people. I am a fan so I'll probably say that every year but I firmly believe with Tinsley leading the charge, Granger stepping up, Dunleavy being a sleeper and J.O. controlling center, not to mention all the other wonderful players this organization has, this team really can contend in the East this year. It may not always be pretty but the guys we have now I think find ways to win.
Nov. 1, 2007
Subject: Pacers show they have enough weapons to contend
I have been closely monitoring the Pacers in their preseason and, to be honest, they have looked very sharp, sharper than I expected, but I have had prior faith in this roster. It’s very packed, and we're very overlooked. Any given night, there is room for multiple guys to have great nights, when others aren’t. Case in point: the game against the Wizards. O'Neal, Murphy, and Williams, were out, but guys like Harrison, Ike step up. And how about Dunleavy, he has been great, grabbing double-doubles, along with Granger, and even better, Tinsley, finally getting to run a team like he always has wanted too. I am very impressed with the options our team has, and I think the Eastern Conference is going to be surprised when we're in the top four, and have over 50 wins this season.
Oct. 23, 2007
Subject: Class act O'Neal helps fans believe
This weekend I, along with my son and best friend, traveled to meet Jermaine O'Neal at Verizon Wireless Center in Greenwood and let him know we are three fans that believe in the team! Class act! J.O. was one of the most polite people I ever met and made me and my crew that much more fans! Thank you Jermaine O'Neal you made it a dream come true!
Oct. 22, 2007
Subject: Hoping Diener's energy rubs off on Tinsley
I just watched the Pacers' second preseason game and I think Diener will be a fan favorite. This kid is fun to watch. He is a scrapper and an amazing shooter. I believe he will have problems against bigger point guards both offensively and defensively but it won’t be from a lack of effort. This kid is all hustle. He shows the kind of effort on every play that has been so lacking from Jamaal Tinsley over the years. Hopefully Diener’s effort will rub off on Tinlsey and this team can finally get the consistency from the point guard position that it has lacked in recent years. Diener might be a little undersized and possibly a half-step slow on defense but no one can not watch him play and not cheer for him. After all the bad personnel decisions Bird has made over the past couple of seasons this one looks like a winner.
Oct. 19, 2007
Subject: Pacers an exciting team to watch
Man, oh man, I think I speak for every Pacer Fan reading. What an exciting team to watch and enjoy. Love the way the team is responding this year! I pesonally have missed watching the team excel this way for a long, long time. Thank you, Coach O'Brien!
Subject: O'Neal story needed to be told
I want to thank Pacers.com for sharing the story about Daniel Edelen and JO’s friendship. It’s refreshing to see someone of Jermaine’s stature using his celebrity status to do something really special. His friendship with Daniel was able to blossom from the kindness in his heart without the media exploiting it. Although I am enjoying the good start to the season, it is equally as uplifting to read something of this magnitude and how the players care about our community!
Oct. 16, 2007
Subject: Rush a major steal for Pacers
I played with Kareem growing up on several all star teams and AAU teams in the Kansas City area. Played and won a lot of games together. All I can say is that Indianapolis got a huge steal and he has a great attitude. He will pay very big dividends ... silky J all day.
Subject: Teamwork already paying dividends
I am starting to get excited about the teamwork that is starting to pay dividends. I’m talking about the teamwork between President Bird and Coach O’Brien. Larry has been bringing in the individuals that play the game the way he wants it played. I like that. Coach O’Brien is instilling a set of core values and installing a methodology that makes sure they do. That’s what I call good teamwork. The Pacers front office has enough class to keep disagreements behind closed doors. Still, one could read between the lines of Bird’s comments that he and Coach O’Brien were “completely on the same page." The Pacers are getting kicked to the curb in the national media. The way they have played the last couple of years they deserve it. But I am getting the feeling that the Pacers are going to be the stealth team this year that does more of the kicking than people realize.
Oct. 15, 2007
Subject: If Rush plays well, Pacers could have a problem
The Pacers got a steal by picking up Rush for next to nothing by NBA standards. With nothing to lose and everything to gain Rush has all the incentive he needs to have a huge year. If he works out the way the Pacers and fans hope he does what are the Pacers going to do at the end of the season to keep him? If he keeps his head straight with his shooting ability and athletic ability every team in the league would have interest in him. The Pacers currently have no cap room and will not have any more at the end of this season. With his contract Dunleavy is not tradeable. If Rush works out, how do the Pacers keep him? It is a problem I think everyone hopes the Pacers have.
Oct. 8, 2007
Subject: Don't overlook Owens, who's fun to watch
I had the opportunity to watch Owens last year in the D-League with the Anaheim Arsenal. He has a pretty solid all around game at the two-guard position, particularly on the offensive end. He can hit the jumper, slash to the basket, finish on the break. He handles pretty well and is a good rebounder for his size. In one D-League game he took over the fourth quarter and scored more than 20 points in the quarter. Whether or not he makes the club, who knows, but he's fun to watch.
Oct. 4, 2007
Subject: Team's talent level understimated
In my own humble opinion, I think too many people are downplaying the talent level that the Indiana Pacers possess. We all know Jermaine O'Neal certainly has the All-Star talent, but Danny Granger is possibly not too far away from joining O'Neal in the All-Star game. Marquis Daniels is a gifted and unique talent and thinking back to Jamaal Tinsley's game prior to the Rick Carlisle era, reminds me that Tinsley is an NBA point guard with the ability to run the team. Dunleavy is a throwback type of player and he gives effort every single night. Although Foster has not developed a mid-range shot, he brings the necessary dirty work attitude and I think Coach O'Brien's style of play might fit well with Foster. Diogu is a beast, even if undersized. I was rooting for the Pacers to draft Kareem Rush the year we picked Fred Jones, so I am excited to see Rush on the roster and I think he will definitely have his moments. Murphy is a big man with a nice touch and I think can be a banger down low if needed. Harrison is still an unproven talent, but his abilities are obvious, he could be the X factor in this season. Shawne Williams was showing flashes at the end of last season and I think he will be a nice piece to the puzzle. I don't know much about Graham, Owens and Diener, but I trust Larry Bird's basketball mind and I figure they will be productive. I am not overly concerned with the talent level, however, I am a bit concerned with the loss of Darrell Armstrong. I know we have enough players who can fill the point spot by commitee, but I'd feel a whole lot better if a true point guard was on the roster to spell an injured Tinsley or Diener.
Subject: A fond farewell to D.A
Although he was with the Pacers a short time, I want to thank Darrell Armstrong for his contributions to the team. He truly was the sparkplug that we needed and brought everything he had to the game. We'll miss his smiling face, enthusiasm and energy. Thanks, D.A.
Subject: New look for team, Website
I have been following how the Pacers players are responding to our newly welcomed coach, Mr. Jim O'Brien! It appears the players love his new fast-paced tempo and are enjoying the style O'Brien brings! (And) the Webmaster gave us, the fans, a new feel on the Website, too. Looking great, Pacers organization. I am ready to finally enjoy an entire season!
Oct. 2, 2007
Subject: Games will reveal who really improved most
Hope springs eternal in the preseason before any games are played. The Pacers management and this Website have certainly done a great job of generating optimism for the team given the recent upheavals, bad-looking trade, roster heavy with overpaid players, disastrous finish, firing of the controversial coach, lack of a No. 1 pick that all their rival lottery teams have, blockbuster trades by rival teams like the Celtics, assumptions in the media that the Lakers would pluck O’Neal for a run with Kobe for greatness, and a fall from championship contender before the brawl, to a team from which the media will expect nothing but a lottery pick. Still, games are played on the court not in preseason media predictions. A calm offseason is a plus for the Pacers for the first time in years. Injured players have supposedly gotten healthy. Even without a No. 1, the Pacers are mostly a young team, needing young guys to develop and fit together as a team. Some probably will. The new coach has made a reasonably good impression. The Pacers did not hand O’Neal to the Lakers, so they have one All-Star to build around. They picked up a couple of role-players who might help. Other teams do not necessarily look so great once the media fever subsided. Will the Celtics go as far as Rajan Rondo can carry them? Will Washington, New Jersey, Miami and Detroit be better or worse? Who will get hurt and who will stay healthy? Can this team hustle and be competitive, and take advantage of what talent there is? That’s why we have a season.
Sept. 27, 2007
Subject: Looking forward to a classy season
Thank goodness the season is just around the corner. I live in the equivalent of professional basketball Siberia (West Virginia) and one can only glean so much information from the national and Internet media about the Pacers. I check Pacers.com and Indystar.com every day for bits and pieces of “news” about my hometown team. I’ve been a Pacer fan since my mom’s friend who worked at WTTV took me to see my first game at the Fairgrounds Coliseum back in 1970 … or was it before? I am appalled by the fair-weathered fans that come and go with the win-loss tally. While I can’t say that the past three years have been a joy to follow, given the incredibly knuckleheaded activities by some of the current and former rosters on and off the court -- or is that in and out of court? -- but I look forward to a team that will hopefully play “the right way” and conduct themselves with class, dignity and professionalism. Given the obscene amount of money being made by these folks, I don’t think it is too much to ask regardless what their socio-economic backgrounds or childhoods may have been.
Sept. 26, 2007
Subject: Time for Harrison to tap potential
I am glad to see that David Harrison is confident for this year. However, I think he had a lot of nerve with the tone of his comments regarding the Pacers' need and search for another big man. He said that if the Pacers don't think he is the big man they need, then they need to let him go. Well, I think a dependable big man is the need that the Pacers are actually trying to address. Obviously, we would not be looking for another big man if he would contribute something besides personal fouls and bench-warming to the team effort. ... To David Harrison, I say I am looking forward to a breakout season from you this year, mister. You have the ability to score, rebound and swat several shots away, so I don't want to hear it. Otherwise, you may be right -- it may be time to get another big man and let you go.
Subject: New season should bring new optimism
I sense good vibes from some fans. It all starts here with us! Let's make Conseco a feared place this year! Get behind your team let's go!
Listen, all the negative players with the exception of Jamaal Tinsley are all gone so I say we give the Pacers a chance. The Pacers have always found a way to get rid of negative players.
Sept. 25, 2007
Subject: Enough with the negativity already
Enough with the negativity already!! The last couple of years have been tough, but the new direction is what it's about now. I like what I see from the front office and the coach. Did I read someone question J.O.'s fundamentals? Are you kidding me? I expect this team to be very tough to beat at home this year. Winning on the road will be hard, but it always is in the NBA. The fans who go to the games are going to see some good wins. Looking forward to a lot of progress this season.
The Pacers need fans! This team needs confidence and to achieve that the players need support from their fans. The players and especially the fans have to honor those who made the Pacers great. It's all about the present, but the past should not be forgotten. I know it is difficult to discuss different cultures, but here in Brazil we have the soccer fanatism. It doesn't matter if the team is not going so well on the field. The true fans are always there. Those who are paying for tickets have the right to complain, but just after the game not before. It doesn't matter if it is against the Spurs or against the Trail Blazers. If I could, I would be in every single home game. Conseco is our house, let's fill it.
Sept. 24, 2007
Subject: All we are saying is give P's a chance
I'm sick of all the complaining about our team. I'll be the first to admit that the Pacers aren't perfect, but what team is? Even the Spurs or the Suns or the Mavericks aren't perfect. The Pacers don't need perfection, they need heart, and they have that right now. They have heart, they have youth, they have talent and desire they're really only lacking one thing right now. The only thing the Pacers are lacking is fans! That's right, at the moment it's not the Pacers we should be complaining about, we should be complaining about the fans. The Pacers are going to make mistakes, I hate the mistakes as much as anyone but we've got to move on. We have to remain loyal. I've been a Pacers fan for as long as I can remember. I've never quit on them, not after Reggie retired, not after the brawl, not after the trade this past year, never. The Pacers need help, not in the form of a Kobe Bryant of Tim Duncan, but in the form of true fans!
I went to a game in Boston several years ago to watch the Pacers play the Celtics. We won that game but I could not enjoy the victory because I was disgusted by the way the home fans had treated their team. I even got into a minor argument with a Celtic fan seated behind me. I was convinced that the Pacers would never be treated that way by their hometown fans. He said that was easy for me to say because we had a good team. I said it wouldn't matter if we lost every game, we would not treat our players that way. I am embarrassed and disillusioned to find myself proven wrong. Everybody makes mistakes. For all of you who put conditions on your loyalty, I say good riddance. I for one am looking forward to seeing what a team that is looking fundamentally sound at each position can accomplish in a sport that has forgotten the meaning of teamwork and I support this organization and this team no matter what.
I'm excited about this year's squad! When you look at the combinations we can throw at other teams we have some great second- and third-quarter matchups. Whatever the starting five is, it's bound to change throughout the season. The old saying is it's not who starts but who finishes, I say it's the second and third quarters. Do we have a Kobe or Lebron? Of course not, but what we do have is depth. This franchise has had so many injuries the last couple seasons it's given the management the opportunity to weed and feed. Let the garden grow!
At this point the roster is set. The players on the team now will be the ones we will have until the trade deadline. At this point Donnie and Larry's only hope is that this roster can win enough games to keep Conseco from being completely empty. The big trade will happen at the trading deadline. O'Neal has already said that he is opting out of his contract next season. To get any value he has to be traded this season. Halfway through the season other teams will see how their offseason moves have panned out. At that point, teams will see if they need to make a trade to get over the hump or just go in a completely new direction. The market for O'Neal should be much higher then than it is now. As much as Pacers fans want to see a move made by the franchise to try to get better it is not going to happen until other teams are looking to trade. The trade market is pretty bleak this time of season. Right now we are stuck with who we have but rest assured that the roster will look substantially different after the trade deadline. It has to because if it doesn't the only people that will be in the stands will be the vendors.
Sept. 21, 2007
Subject: Analyzing the keys to the roster's makeup
Let’s look at the point. Penetration: Tinsley pokes and probes, Daniels twists and slithers. Passing: Both can dish in the lane. Fast break: Tinsley can push more on the open floor. Dribbling: Tinsley – but who wants a lot of dribbling? Finishing: Daniels, hands down. Defense: Daniels by a wide mile. Shooting: Neither one can shoot. Attitude, example, leadership and intangibles: It’s subjective, but I’ll take Daniels. Now center: Want field goal percentage? Add dunks. This isn’t Foster’s forte. We need 15 ppg at the 60+ percent shooting that comes from slamming home garbage shots, putbacks, mismatch isolations, and defensive breakdowns. Secondly, if we can get J.O. facing the basket, using his mobility to get to the rim, we’ll add a new dimension to our inside game and add five years to his career. For that we need a back-to-the-basket wide body: Harrison / Diogu.
At first, I thought the moves that were made this offseason were bad moves. However, I now see that Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh are actually trying to make the Pacers better by being patient. I like the shooting ability of Kareem Rush and Travis Diener as well as the versatility of Stephen Graham and Andre Owens. I still think that the Pacers will not have enough to make it all the way to the playoffs, but I believe that every player will give it their all. As I said earlier the Pacers are being patient. I think the Pacers are going to try and make a big move during the 2008 offseason. If I know Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh like I think I do, they have been listening to the fans. I think that no one will be disappointed next season and the Fieldhouse will be packed once again. And to the Pacers organization, good luck in the 2008 offseason.
With most good teams in the NBA, they have what you would call a "Big Three." In regard to the Pacers, they have a team of players. I believe Tinsley and Granger are above-average players -- and, of course, O'Neal -- but fall short of what you would consider a "Big Three." The Pacers are dependent on having a team concept where they need multiple players to contribute to their success. We feel good about O'Neal's talent level, a healthy Tinsley and Daniels would be wonderful, Granger is getting better, Dunleavy is questionable, great skill set, great I.Q., not quite the lottery pick he should be, yet. At Duke he did it all, similar to the player he is now, maybe less explosive, but still very key to our team. If management can get his confidence up and make him understand his importance, I believe we'll see a difference in his game, that is key in seeing a difference in our team.
When this team was winning in the ‘90s by playing the "right way," all these "fans" whined about not having that true superstar because the Pacers were too cheap to spend the money. Then the Pacers spend the money and what do we have? Bringing up the antics of the players is simply an excuse or these fans never really followed basketball in the first place. The fact of the matter is that in Indiana everyone likes to talk about how much they love basketball, but, in reality, most fans know very little about the game, except which team won or lost. Pacers fans have got to be among the worst fair-weather fans in the NBA. I truly did not know that over 99 percent of the Indiana population was perfect (the difference being the criminals that play for the Pacers). Up until recently, and with the exception of the brawl (which had way more to do with the officials, Ben Wallace, and the out-of-control fans than with Artest and the Pacers -- face it and get past it), any NBA team would have laughed off every incident that these "fans" keep crying about. If you do not like watching the NBA, fine don’t watch it, but quit using this same, sorry excuse. Look at this way: if it wasn’t for Artest, Tinsley, and Jackson, the rest of the country would never have realized that the rest of the Indiana population is, in fact, perfect.
Well, I feel better about the Pacers now. At least Isiah is not here!
Sept. 20, 2007
Subject: Give Dunleavy more than half a chance
People keep saying Dunleavy is slow yet, at the end of last season whenever there was a fast break on, I think the majority of the time it was Mike who was leading the break. He is sound in his fundamentals, can shoot the three and handles the ball pretty well. It seems to me that fans just look for something to be negative about instead of giving a player a chance. Come on folks, the man has only been here for less than half a season. Give him a chance to learn his teammates, let him get at least one camp under his belt then if he does not produce feel free to chastise him. Otherwise, give the guy a chance!
I think the Pacers could use a guy like Mike Dunleavy. He is a smart player who plays a fundamentally sound game. He has had some trouble in the past shooting, but he will be the first one to admit to that. A lot of NBA fans don’t like him because he is not a walking highlight reel! The reason he came off the bench for the Warriors was because he didn't fit into Don Nelson’s system. Nelson doesn’t really adjust well to players that don’t fit into his system. Dunleavy is a great guy to have in an organization. He doesn’t get into any off-court trouble and is a team player. The way things are in the NBA these days, it is hard to find a player that isn’t selfish and only looking out for themselves! Dunleavy is a really good player. His main problem is his confidence. Sometimes he hesitates or over-thinks a play. I am looking forward to this season because I think the fresh start will be good for Mike.
Sept. 19, 2007
Subject: Lineup needs Dunleavy's fundamentals
There have been many complaints over the last few years indicating that Indiana fans feel that the Pacers don't play Indiana basketball. Yet, a guy like Mike Dunleavy gets no respect. He has the fundamentals that are so sorely lacking on this team. I think that a lack of fundamentals is the primary problem with the recent Pacers teams. Dunleavy should start because he, along with Granger, strive to play the game the way Indiana fans claim they want to see it played. Also, it would help if the leader of the team would become more fundamentally sound, or step down and support an emerging, fundamentally sound leader.
I do not understand some Pacers fans' obsession with Mike Dunleavy. He was benched by his previous team for being slow and unable to defend. After being traded the same held true but his shooting percentage went down. Why all the love for a player that, if he had a different last name would not even be in the league? He is slow, a very poor defender and by the end of last season appeared to have lost all confidence in his shot. With his lack of footspeed he is not capable of putting the ball on the floor like Michael in Houston would have you believe. If he tried that he would have more turnovers than points. Mike Dunleavy has an excellent understanding of the game and how it is to be played and would probably make a great coach. However, he lacks the physical tools necessary to be anything more than a backup. Anybody that believes he can be more has just never really watched him play objectively.
As far as a lineup goes with the set of players we currently have, I am going to have to disagree with some of the suggested lineups. I think Dunleavy is entirely too slow to be at the two spot. He is a good spark off of the bench for the three and could be figured into some interesting lineups featuring three forwards. I think the two spot should be between Daniels and Rush. I think Foster absolutely deserves the starting center spot. He may not score in bundles, but his hustle, grit and determination are invaluable.
Jamaal Tinsley should be the starting point guard. Period. He has put in the time and effort, and has always done whatever has been asked of him. In the suspension year along with Fred Jones and Jeff Foster, Tinsley held the team together, becoming a primary scoring option and was a regular on the highlight reels. When people questioned his toughness, he tried to go a full season without missing a game, and only falling short after it was apparent the season was a wash. When our offense became the predictable, "dump it into JO, stand outside and wait for the three," he did that, too. He's done everything asked of him on the court, and done it well. Now we should let him do what he's always wanted to do, be a pass-first point guard in an up-tempo, motion offense. He's been in a restrictive set offense for much of his career, and now he has the opportunity to show what he can really do. While I love the potential on our team, right now Tinsley is still the best player on the team besides O'Neal. Give him the ball and the freedom to call plays, and turn him loose. We won't regret it.
Sept. 18, 2007
Subject: Daniels needs to play point guard
I hope this is not the case, but am I the only one who understands that Daniels can and should play at the point for this team? The ability, quickness, skill and determination that he showed in Dallas should be more than enough. Dunleavy is a guy that should at best be coming off the bench not starting for a struggling team, we need to see Rush in his spot. Danny Granger is a guy that is more than deserving of a starting position this year. Danny put in a lot of work this past year to prove himself and has been doing the same in the offseason. Bird wants young: this is the guy we need to start with. I don’t feel as if we even need to question the six-time All-Star O’Neal, and starting him with a clean bill of health this year is at minimum priceless. And last but not least, I feel as if Ike and Harrison need to share the final position until one of them shows a sure sign of determination and want for that spot.
I agree with Paul in Medford, Ore. I'm not a huge Mike Dunleavy fan, and if we give the Pacers a chance then they can show us that hopefully under Jim O'Brien they will have a better and faster offense.
Sept. 17, 2007
Subject: Much debate on shooting guard, center starters
To start the season I’d use the lineup we finished with. They will be most effective out of the gate. But I would like to see a quick transition to our most effective long-term solution. Starters/first substitution: 1: Daniels/Tinsley, 2: Dunleavy/Rush, 3: Granger/Williams, 4: O’Neal/Murphy, 5: Harrison/Diogu. The biggest adjustment will be at the bookends, 1 and 5, but these are the keys, our most under-utilized potential. We need to get our big man Harrison under the basket. Also remember, Diogu has a 6-11 frame from tip toe to fingertip. I see more in Dunleavy’s game than most. He was in a transition where his shots weren’t falling. When the coaching and confidence pick up, I see him as a more skilled Rip Hamilton. I love Foster’s hustle and scrap as much as anyone, but we need to get our more production out of the low post. I see him as a sub getting lots of spot minutes.
I agree with Mark from Montana on four of the five starting positions. I would replace Kareem Rush with Marquis Daniels at shooting guard. And I think that Mike Dunleavy and Granger are interchangeable at small forward, depending on who's on a streak. Hopefully David Harrison can stay healthy and come into his own to provide some offense from the five spot, something the Pacers haven't had since Rik Smits (except for a cameo from Brad Miller). The possibility of Murphy and O'Neal starting up front is intriguing from a scoring standpoint, but the lack of size would expose O'Neal to unnecessary wear over an 82-game season. My Starting 5: Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels, Danny Granger, Jermaine O'Neal, Jeff Foster.
I will probably be the first to say that I'm not a huge Mike Dunleavy fan. Immediately after the trade he started to play very well. This is because the offense was moving and rarely did we see players standing around waiting for the ball to come to them. Later on in the season the offense died and so did Mike's productivity. This season, we have a new coach that will keep things flowing. All this can do for Mike's game is give it room to improve. I say that we should give him another shot at the starting job.
Sept. 14, 2007
Subject: Lineup possibilities intriguing
I think the best starting five would look like this:
I read the remarks from Eric in Kokomo and Kyle from Anderson and they say to pull out Murphy, Dunleavy and Foster as starters. We were already the worst field goal shooting team in the league last year, do you want us to be among the worst in rebounding too? I agree that both Murphy and Dunleavy struggled last year but I am a fan that pays attention to matchups. If they would both put the ball on the floor and go to the cup strong they can create a lot of easy weakside baskets for Jermaine or even open up the outside for Rush and Granger. Murphy and Dunleavy both have the potential to be double-double guys in points and rebounding as does Ike, but what concerns me about Diogu is size and lack of body control.
I think our starting lineup should be Diener, Daniels, Granger, O'Neal and Foster. Diener is a good player and a consistent shooter, so I think he should get a chance as a point guard. But we still need a good center.
Subject: Fans weary of off-court incidents
Regardless of the seriousness of the offense in the criminal sense, Shawne Williams' arrest is a capital offense in the judgment sense. It is impossible for us to ask the Pacers to show maturity and judgement on the court when they cannot manage even the most basic aspects of their own lives off of it.
I would rather have a mediocre team or worse with a group of hard-working, respectable young men than to constantly turn on the news and hear about another Indiana Pacers player arrested. It has gotten way past old.
I am disheartened to say that I feel like the greatness of the Pacers organization will always be in the past. Gone are all of the players and morals we have all grown to love and admire in this great community. Instead, a good majority of the team has now resorted to breaking the law to cure their boredom. My compliments to the players that continually conduct themselves in a professional manner! For all of the Pacers who are in obvious need of mentoring, take notes from them. They are the ones that will lead the team success on and off the court.
Unbelievable, how could this happen again? This is why nobody ever wants to go to Pacers games, because there are players like Jamaal Tinsley who don't care about messing up their reputations. I hope the Pacers can fix this problem with Shawne Williams.
At this point we do not even know the facts. Let's not jump to conclusions. Let's all allow Mr. Williams the same presumption of innocence that our Constitution requires. And quit crying. I have and will always support my hometown team, regardless of the actions of the individual players off the court. Dislike a player if you want, but support the Pacers or simply root for another team. This will be the best year in the past three or four...you will see.
It seems to me that for the amount of money that these players are contracted to play for; they should be reminded that their participation with the Pacers franchise is in fact a privilege and not just a paycheck. They should also be reminded that their contractual obligations should extend well beyond not only their talent on the basketball court, but also must reflect an image that the fans can respect and can be proud of.
I am yet another of those long-time Pacer fans who used to go to at least five games a year. I was never free enough (or rich enough) to get season tickets. Last year, due to the numerous off-court problems with the Pacers, I didn’t go to a single game. I watched a few on television. Unless Larry Bird starts showing some willingness to make the hard decisions necessary to make this a respectable team again, I won’t be watching any of the games on television this year, either. It’s time to start enforcing a zero-tolerance policy on garbage like this.
Shawne is a young player that I thought was heading down the right track with his play last season. That all changed when this story came out; it was not just another Indiana Pacer in the news for the wrong reasons, but it was a promising young talent that now has to be dealt with and punished for his actions.
Subject: Williams incident sparks strong reaction
We as fans were asked just last week what it would take to get us back in to watch the games. Well, this type of stuff has to stop. ... It's a shame because there are some really great players who have done wonderful things for the game and the community they live in but there are some every year who go out and give all of them a really bad name. Until they are weeded out and gotten rid of, this will never get any better and we fans will not be coming in great numbers back to the games until they clean it up.
I cannot believe this has happened again. What happened to the Pacers? I used to love watching Reggie, Rik, the Davis', and Mark Jackson play for this team with the heart and determination that we fans deserve. It's no wonder we have not and will not be making the playoffs anytime soon, our players have nothing better to do then go to strip clubs and hang out with their buddies till all hours of the morning, driving around smoking dope. Are you kidding me?
Yet again we have another Pacer in the news for all the wrong reasons. But why should we be surprised that a young player on this roster would make bad decisions given the veterans in the locker room? ... If (Larry Bird) does not get tough on Williams he will lose what little credibility he has left. The real test will be to see if he really does anything substantial or just talks tough and hands out a light punishment. All anyone can say is, "here we go again.." The only real question to ask is "Is anybody really surprised?".
Over the years I have taken pride in being a fan of the Indiana Pacers. I thought it was wonderful when we were one of the few teams from the ABA taken into the NBA. We had not only great players, but gentlemen as well. Yes, they had some off-court issues, but nothing that caused embarrassment to the team in general or to the people of Indianapolis. Now you give us young men who are one step away from playing in some state penal league. ... Do all the Pacer players carry guns? Do all of your players have a posse who runs around with them and takes the fall when the police stops their car and finds drugs? Are the Pacers fans really expected to turn their heads and pretend that we accept this kind of behavior as a price for having a winning team?
Subject: Lineup combinations offer variety of possibilities
It is an accepted fact that the Pacers roster is not stocked with top-tier talent. Even with that being the case, they still have to put a team on the floor. Given that O'Neal, Tinsley and Granger will be starters no matter what, I'd like to know who do fans think the other two starters should be? Should the Pacers go big and slow with Dunleavy and Murphy or Foster? Should they go small and fast with Daniels and Rush? Or should there be an emphasis on outside shooting and go with Rush and Murphy? I'd love to see the starting five that Eric from Kokomo mentioned but that would never happen.
Subject: Fans debate merits of supporting team
When the team went through the ordeal at the Palace of Auburn Hills the fans were behind them 100 percent. When we were clearly not at our best the fans were there ... where are they now? I've been attending games for a few years now and slowly but surely seen the spirit leave our Fieldhouse. I don't really understand it. Yes team chemistry hasn't been perfect, but last season was our 40th Anniversary. Where were all the fans? The organization did numerous deals to draw fans, but they did not come. I remember listening to games on the radio and watching them on TV and hearing the arena so loud you could barely hear the announcer over the crowd noise. I'm only 18, people, this was not that long ago. Some may use the excuse that the excitement isn't quite there without Reggie. We have to move on!! I loved Uncle Reggie, still do, but one man did not incite all of those fans. The Fieldhouse is beautiful, our players are of a very high caliber, what we need is our fans to come back! Give the team a chance! Ignore the critics and come to Conseco to support your team! If you want the team to do better and have another shot at a championship it would help if they had more support in their efforts. So get out there and root for your team and things will change.
The only way I'll go is if the Pacers somehow can get Jamaal Tinsley out of here.
Winning helps yes, but it isn't enough. Look at the Colts. They give this entire state something to be proud of. It isn't just the winning, although that doesn't hurt, it is the character of the team, too. No thug mentality (and) me-first attitudes. That is why they sell out. When the Pacers get back to that kind of character, the house will once again be packed.
The fans will come back when the franchise gives them a reason to come back. Over the past couple of season there has been a real slide in the caliber of play from the Pacers. It stems from several things, players not liking the coach, players not wanting to be in Indiana and very poor personnel moves that have made the team worse for many years to come. The fans will come back but the franchise has to do something that shows they are trying to get better. ... About the only way most people would consider going to a game is if the Pacers announce a starting lineup of Daniels, Granger, O'Neal, Diogu and Rush. Fans don't want to see Tinsley, Dunleavy and Murphy play just because they are making too much money and have long-term contracts. Let those guys ride the pine and let the players that have talent and desire play. The fans will come back but it is up to the franchise to make the first move.
I gave up my season tickets this year after 13 years. Here's why:
Subject: What Will it Take to Pack the House?
Over the past couple of seasons attendance at Pacer games has steadily gotten worse. The problem has gotten so bad that the team actually lowered the price of tickets. There is plenty of blame to go around but assigning blame is not what I am interested in. I want to know what will really bring the fans back. Some claim that team chemistry is enough. Some claim that a faster, more up-tempo game will bring in the fans. Some claim that winning cures everything. I have attended several Pacer games a season for over 20 years. I miss the days of it being so loud that my ears hurt when I left. The team should have better team chemistry this season. Most but not all of the bad character players are gone. The team is looking to run and score more. Even with all of these things in the Pacers favor most people I talk to have zero desire to go watch the Pacers. People used to fight to get tickets, now most people turn down free tickets. I will go to my usual three to four games this season. What will it take to get the rest of you there?
Subject: Daniels Should Get Opportunity at Point
Don't forget Marquis Daniels. He is a true and intriguing option at the point. He is an offbeat player with size and the ability to break down the defense, and
he could very well fill the point position, and not just as an option for a few minutes. Added to which, he is a good defender with the best chance to stop or slow the Wades and Co.
While I agree that another point guard on the roster would make sense, I do not believe that Sarunas is the man for the job. He was most effective when playing the two spot anyway. We already have two sub-par defenders for point guards. If we are going to bring in another point guard it should be someone capable of playing defense. While it would be nice to have Sarunas' outside shooting ability, currently there is no proven person on the roster that can stop a slashing point guard. Granger and Daniels are good defenders, but probably are not quick enough to guard the point. Right idea but wrong person.
Subject: Back to the Future at Point Guard
Although I don't know Coach O'Brien's plans for next season, I think that there is a problem in the playmaker position. We have Tinsley who had a full season (missed 10 games) after three seasons averaging 45 games. Then Diener, who is a risky decision for such an important position averaging 25 games (11 minutes playing time with one assist) the last two seasons. Daniels could be used as a playmaker under conditions, but he is clearly not a "real" playmaker. I don't know the status of McLeod and Armstrong; if they're staying or not. I do know, however, that many teams (Celtics, Cavs, Heat) are looking for playmakers and seem to be more appealing for players since they are title contenders. I believe that the Pacers should try to sign again Sarunas J. He is a player who knows the team, he is more experienced than his first pass, has winning spirit, the fans love him, and he might fit well into Coach O'Brien's plans (especially perimeter shooting). I know that he wants to leave the Warriors, and although a lot of European teams are interested in signing him, but he wants to stay in the NBA. I think that Sarunas will be a great addition to our team, filling in a position that we seem to have a problem.
Subject: Maybe Both Sides Have a Point
I believe that both Jeremy and Aarik both made some good points. Maybe Reggie didn't believe that the Pacers had a chance to make to the Finals. He was even disappointed about management not talking to Mark Jackson for a coaching job. On the other hand, true fans should not give up hope. However, it's easy to, from seeing the Pacers' performance for the past few years. In a way, the Pacers remind me of the Hornets: a good team under the radar with talent that is riddled with injuries that just do
PG, Jamaal Tinsley: He's a veteran and knows the Pacers system. Many complaints are being quickly thrown in his direction but I believe that he is a great point guard and can make plays, doesn't try and score too much and is really actually a solid player. His decision-making is sometimes poor but he was one of the more consistent players last year.
SG, Kareem Rush: Rush is the best outside shooter on the team now, his ability to stretch and defense and hit the outside shot will help open up Jermaine, Foster, Ike and even sometimes Granger in the post. This alone is a good enough reason to start him. He's a team player and doesn't try to do too much, plus if he gets hot, watch out.
SF, Danny Granger: Is there any competition? Possibly the second-best player on the team, Granger can do it all and he's still young. He can post and shoot threes, he can rebound and play good defense.
PF, Jermaine O'Neal: J.O. prefers to play the four spot as opposed to center, he scores better and his talents are put to full capabilities in this spot. He's got a good shot for being big so he can play outside or take it to the hoop down low. On defense he can be switched on and off centers and power forwards depending, or can help from the weak side and block shots.
C, Jeff Foster: Foster is a workhorse, what can I say? He works as hard as anyone, hustles for rebounds, plays hard defense and knows the Pacers. Although maybe not as talented as say Troy Murphy or Ike, Foster brings the intangibles to the team, things not many players do anymore.
Sept. 13, 2007
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1) I am still a devoted fan, but the cost of my tickets went up nearly 300 percent in that time. I am not naive enough to believe that ticket prices will ever come down again, but it is difficult to justify the investment when the product on the floor is inconsistent (at best), and off the floor ... well, you know what I mean. I hope it comes back, but I cannot afford to bet thousands each year that it will.
2) I think the NBA in general is looking up with a core group of great players with good character (D. Wade, LeBron, etc.), but the focus needs to get back on quality of play, not quality of highlights or quality of endorsements. Commissioner Stern did a good job of bringing the league back from the brink (with a little help from Larry, Magic, and Michael), but the focus on stars rather than teams has hurt the long-term ability of teams with poor records or off-the-court issues to draw well, especially in more fragile markets like Indy.
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