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Langlois: But the Pistons could not have done the deal that the Clippers made. Because Elton Brand left the Clippers, they were operating well below the salary cap and could absorb Camby’s big contract without having to give up a similar amount in return. The Pistons would have had to have been about $10 million or so under the cap to have been in position to do that deal. A number of other Mailbag questioners wondered if Denver did the Camby deal as a precursor to another trade, perhaps the long-rumored one involving Carmelo Anthony and the Pistons. I think the Camby deal was strictly about getting a big contract off the books. The Nuggets were deep into luxury tax territory last year, meaning that removing a $10 million contract is actually a $20 million savings for Denver – in addition to not having to pay Camby, the Nuggets won’t have to send a matching amount to the league for being above the luxury tax limit.
Langlois: He’s not played poorly, Kenneth. He hasn’t put up big numbers, but I’m not sure the Pistons threw the ball to him in the low post and told him to go to work more than once or twice in their first three Summer League games. He was extraordinarily active defensively. New assistant coach Darrell Walker told me that after he saw Johnson for a few days, he told Joe Dumars that Johnson was the type of player who did things defensively that aren’t reflected in the box score, beyond the blocked shots and steals, things like trapping guards and recovering in time to take away passing lanes to his man, harassing the point guard in the backcourt to chew up some of the 24-second clock, getting his hands on loose balls, etc.
Langlois: I wouldn’t read too much into that, James. Curry was just talking from the standpoint of the roster he has at his disposal right now. Curry is perfectly willing to coach whatever roster Joe Dumars gives him when the season rolls around. But his mind-set right now, until told differently, is that he has all hands on deck – Hamilton, Billups, Wallace, McDyess and Prince included. But I’ve said all along that I believe Hamilton is the least likely of the core group to be dealt.
Langlois: Sharpe has given the Pistons some signs that he might be ready for a limited role as Prince’s backup, but I don’t know if they’d feel confident enough going forward with him as their first option at small forward off the bench. The question will be do they think they can cobble together a backup small forward between Sharpe, Arron Afflalo and somebody else, say, Walter Herrmann, should they re-sign him as a free agent.
Langlois: I think it makes more sense on the surface for Golden State, which is badly in need of a point guard. I don’t buy the line of thinking that Billups wouldn’t be a good fit for Don Nelson’s system. He’s one of the top handful of point guards in the league. If Nelson would reject Billups based on fit for his system, then he really ought to consider tinkering with his system. The Pistons, unless they would have had another move ready to go, wouldn’t seem to have a glaring need for Biedrins, though, I’ll admit, a 22-year-old big man with his ability to affect games with his defense and rebounding would be tempting.
Langlois: I’m working on a story on Plaisted now, Jessie. I talked to him the other day in Las Vegas and he said he knows he needs to work on his mid-range game. Michael Curry has been effusive in his praise of Plaisted, especially his ability to defend the pick and roll, which has become the single most important play in the NBA – and the single most important play to defend.
Langlois: Interesting theory, Lyndsey, but my hunch is they’d see it as Dumars still valuing them highly enough to not want to deal them for what he’s being offered. I suppose if one player knows that a particular team turned down a certain deal, he might want to prove something to that particular team. I don’t put much stock in artificial motivation and that’s what that seems like more than anything.
Langlois: And way more downside, too. For all of Artest’s ability, bad things seem to happen to teams he joins. Even if the brawl had happened anywhere else, I’d have a hard time seeing Joe Dumars rolling the dice on Artest when he’s dealing from the position of having won 59 games last season.
Langlois: Not sure where you were looking, Matt, but that was bad information. Hayes signed a one-year, $1.2 million deal with the Pistons last August. He just signed with New Jersey.
Langlois: I’ve not heard his name linked to the Pistons, Shawn. He’s an interesting player who would be attractive to any team at the right price. For whatever reason, Barnes hasn’t been getting much play, at least not on the surface.
Langlois: Your question implies that they ever targeted any of those three guys, which is wrong. Brand and Davis were priced way out of their range – only teams that had more than $10 million in cap room, and there were three or four of them in the entire league, could seriously enter bidding for them – and so was Maggette as soon as Golden State stepped forward with a $10 million-a-year deal. The Pistons are waiting for the market to cool. There was no free agent out there willing to sign for the MLE or below who could start for them, and they weren’t going to pay starter’s money to players whose talents indicated they would be playing relatively insignificant roles for them. That might make fans impatient, but how would they feel next summer if, for instance, Rip Hamilton opts out of his contract and the Pistons can’t enter the bidding for him because they’d committed $6 million in 2009-10 salary to a backup small forward?
Langlois: No question, Josh, Philadelphia and Toronto have put themselves in great position to be major players in the East. Those two, plus the Pistons, Boston, Cleveland and Orlando give the East a top six that is going to match up much better next season with the top six in the West than the last few years. As for what the focus of the Pistons will be, Joe Dumars has said his preference is to bring in someone who is an impact player at either end of the floor. Offensive impact players are more numerous than defensive impact players, so I guess a 20-point per game scorer is more likely to be added than a Ben Wallace, circa 2005-level defender. But Dumars really is looking more for the right fit at the right price.
Langlois: Haven’t heard much on Walter Herrmann for a while, but I didn’t expect to – unless he signs with a European team, he’s one of those guys whose status won’t be determined until teams make their more significant moves. Remember, the Pistons didn’t sign Jarvis Hayes last year until the middle of August. Davis? On the surface, he doesn’t seem like the type of player the Pistons would seek, but they might know him differently than his reputation. The way he played in Miami this year would seem a red flag. As for the second part of your question, no, the only time you can take a player in trade without sending a like amount back in salary is when you are under the salary cap. Case in point: Last year on draft day, Golden State shipped Jason Richardson to Charlotte for the No. 8 pick in the draft, Brandan Wright, because the Bobcats were about $20 million under the cap and could absorb all of Richardson’s huge contract. Teams over the cap have to trade salaries within 125 percent of each other. So – and this is rough math here – if the Pistons were to trade for a player who makes about $5 million, they’d have to ship back a player making somewhere between $4 million and $6 million, give or take a few hundred thousand.
Langlois: The Pistons didn’t pick up their option on Blalock after the 2006-07 season. He played in Europe for part of the season last year, then finished up in the NBA D-League. The Pistons do not have any claim to his rights, but they’re free to negotiate a contract with him, as are all 29 other NBA teams.
Langlois: Maxiell is scheduled to earn a little less than $2 million this season. The biannual exception allows teams that are over the salary cap to sign a free agent every other year for about $2 million a season. The Pistons, as all teams who are over the cap, can use their mid-level exception to sign a player. The MLE was just set last week at $5.58 million for the first year of a multiyear deal. So the Pistons have all of that to use and also have the right to use the biannual exception, plus veteran’s minimum contracts if Lindsey Hunter and Theo Ratliff express the desire to play another season.
Langlois: Battier came within in a minute per game of playing more than both McGrady and Yao Ming a year ago, so he’s not a bench player. He gives Houston many of the same things Tayshaun Prince gives the Pistons, but to have those two sharing the position would be a pretty big luxury. If the Pistons are going to dangle Chauncey Billups, you’d have to think they’d want more than someone who could job share. As for Jackson, nice player, but getting up there in age and he’s been brittle.
Langlois: Not a chance. When I interviewed him a year ago and we began talking about how the value of NBA franchises has escalated since he paid about $6 million or so for the Pistons in 1974, he said it didn’t matter how much the franchise was worth today because he was never going to sell it, anyway. He’s also said a plan for succession of ownership is in place, as well, to keep it within the family. The decision to sell the Lightning came from a variety of factors. An interested ownership group approached them, for one. The fact Mr. Davidson wasn’t getting down to Florida very frequently any more made it easier. And I think there was also some concern that the NHL’s finances didn’t get fixed to a sufficient degree even after the lockout of a few years ago.
Langlois: Kevin, I’ll let your question represent the 8 million others I got on the subject of the McGrady rumor. Let me start by saying this: I can’t confirm one way or the other the reports that the Pistons and Houston were talking about a McGrady trade that would involve Chauncey Billups or Tayshaun Prince or both, but it’s been pretty roundly rejected by media outlets in both cities. But it wouldn’t surprise me if those teams had talked about McGrady since the season ended. When Joe D said he had talked to 10 or 12 teams and wasn’t talking about anybody’s second- or third-best players, McGrady would have been a logical contender for that list. Why? Because Houston has floundered with the McGrady-Yao pairing and probably feels some urgency to shake up their chemistry in the same way Dumars said he wished to. Would there be an inherent risk in the deal? Absolutely. There usually is. But McGrady is, flat-out, one of the five best pure scorers in the game. If the Pistons were to seriously consider dealing for him, you can bet your bottom dollar that Dumars would have thoroughly vetted McGrady’s health history and ran it past training guru Arnie Kander for his take. As for McGrady’s playoff record, until a month ago Kevin Garnett had gotten his teams out of the first round exactly once in his career. I think it’s silly to put that history on McGrady. For most of his years, he’s been on teams that didn’t have the roster to make much postseason noise. People tend to forget that when McGrady’s Orlando team lost a 3-1 lead to the 2003 Pistons, Detroit was the No. 1 seed and Orlando the No. 8 seed.
Langlois: Bingo, fans need to calm down a little and let the summer play itself out. Kevin Garnett didn’t get traded to Boston until July 31 last summer. Major trades, unless they happen on draft night, usually don’t occur until after the dust settles on free agency, and that hasn’t happened yet. But if the worst-case scenario for the Pistons is status quo, is that so bad? They’ll have a new coach who by every indication is held in high regard by his players and they have several young players who are ready to not just play but make an impact. Yes, the East will be deeper next year, but the Pistons won’t head into next season feeling they’ve been passed by.
Langlois: You’re right, Matt. If Hunter and Theo Ratliff come back for one more season, the Pistons would most likely sign both to veteran’s minimum contracts, which for their years of service would put them somewhere between $1.5 million and $2 million. The good thing about veteran’s minimum deals is that the league picks up a good chunk of the contract and only about half of it counts against the salary cap. It was a provision put in to prevent teams from shunning worthy veterans to sign cheaper young players. Besides the MLE, which was set last week for the coming season at $5.585 million, the Pistons also have the biannual exception to use, which is roughly $2 million. I don’t think they’ll have to use the biannual, though, because if both Hunter and Ratliff return, that puts the roster at 13. And the Pistons probably will sign two veterans with the MLE.
Langlois: Not with the way the roster is presently constituted. If the Pistons bring back Theo Ratliff, they’d be pretty stacked up front with Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Jason Maxiell, Amir Johnson and Cheikh Samb – and Maxiell and Johnson, for sure, and Samb, perhaps, are all in line for expanded roles. Besides, Kwame Brown should get more than a low-money, one-year deal. He’s fallen far short of the expectations for a No. 1 pick overall, but considering DeSagana Diop got a full mid-level exception deal, Brown should get something close.
Langlois: Scott, there’s not room enough and I don’t have a firm enough grasp of it myself, but whenever I have questions about the minutiae of the salary cap, I go to this http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm Web site. As for Samb, no, he weights considerably more than that now. He’s spent a lot of time in the weight room in the past two years. I’d say he’s probably at about 240 right now. That’s still not a lot of weight on a 7-foot-1 frame, but his upper body, especially, is now pretty solid.
Langlois: The Knicks would dump him in a heartbeat. Curry has three years left on his contract – though the final two are at his option. But he isn’t very likely to opt out of those two years, which would pay him more than $21 million, unless he has a monster year next season. And I don’t see Curry as a very good fit for the way Mike D’Antoni likes to play. But the Pistons don’t have $10 million worth of dead weight hanging around to ship to New York to make the deal work.
Langlois: The NBA is expanding globally, Erges, but it’s still a league with 29 of its 30 franchises in the United States, which doesn’t use the metric system. As for Stuckey and Afflalo, they’re actually pretty close. I’m not sure if it’s exact, but it’s pretty close.
Langlois: If the Pistons trade Chauncey Billups, they’ll get a good player back. And there will be plenty of good players still on the team. They won’t be putting the whole team on Rodney Stuckey’s shoulders. But I disagree that Stuckey needs “mentoring.” He’s ready to shoulder whatever load the Pistons give him.
Langlois: It’s possible the Pistons would handle Ratliff similarly to the way they used Lindsey Hunter last year, I suppose – keep him with the team but spot his appearances on the active list in order to keep him fresh. But the reason that worked so well with Hunter is he gave the Pistons something truly unique with his harassing on-the-ball defense. Samb gives them a lot of what Ratliff provides – a shot-blocking force and a long, active body defensively. The other part of the equation that can’t be measured right now is how that scenario would appeal to Ratliff.
Langlois: Sounds good, but it’s hard to imagine a team allowing Childress to get away – he’s a restricted free agent, not unrestricted – for the MLE. Then again, Atlanta might be the team that would do it with an uncertain ownership situation complicated by Josh Smith’s restricted status, as well. Here’s the thing: No one really wants to fork over that type of money to someone it doesn’t know will be a starter. And if Atlanta brings back Josh Smith, Childress would still be coming off its bench. The Pistons wouldn’t want to spend that kind of money on Childress, either, unless it had a prominent role available to him and felt he was up to the responsibility.
Langlois: If I’m Portland, it would be hard to justify trading Aldridge. The Blazers acquired Jerryd Bayless on draft night and are taking a long look at last year’s No. 1 pick, Petteri Koponen, in the Summer League. If the right deal for a point guard came along, I’m sure the Blazers would be interested. But I think they regard Aldridge, Greg Oden and Brandon Roy as fairly untouchable.
Langlois: Larry Brown famously fell in and out of love with a million players. I’m not sure where he is on Rasheed Wallace at the moment, but he sure gushed love for him during his time in Detroit. I think NBA GMs are sort of lukewarm on Okafor. At the right price, he’s an asset, but he turned down a deal that would have paid him an annual average of more than $12 million before last season began. That’s a lot of money for what Okafor has supplied so far – never mind he’s also had a pretty scary injury history.
Langlois: He can already do a few things – make shots and block shots – well enough to command minutes, Alex. Can he hold his position defensively against NBA low-post players? Can he get out and defend the pick and roll? Can he establish low-post position himself offensively and hit that half-hook he’s developed – which has looked pretty good here in Las Vegas – with a fair amount of consistency? I can definitely see him being good enough within the next season or two to work his way into the rotation. Where he goes from there is still anyone’s guess.
Langlois: New Jersey? Not by a long shot. That team is barely trying to conceal its strategy of clearing cap room for a run at LeBron in two summers. Trading Richard Jefferson for Yi leaves the Nets with a gaping hole at small forward. And it’s looking more and more like Krstic won’t be back next season.
Langlois: Before Stuckey was a Piston, what did they do when Chauncey Billups got hurt? They patched it together with Flip Murray and Lindsey Hunter for a while. If All-Stars go down, you’re going to have a dropoff. If the Pistons were to decide the best way to alter the mix was to trade Billups, they would have to find a competent backup point guard somewhere. The free agent market doesn’t have a whole lot to offer. I like Keyon Dooling, but he’s probably going to get more money for a more prominent role elsewhere.
Langlois: If the Pistons come back with the roster as it is, I think they feel OK about their perimeter positions because of the expanded role they foresee for Arron Afflalo and because of the way Rip Hamilton proved he could defend small forwards last season. If Afflalo can handle 20 minutes or so a game, that would free Hamilton to play some at small forward in relief of Prince. You know Rodney Stuckey is going to get 30 minutes a night. That means the load on Billups, Prince and Hamilton can be kept in the low 30s. And it’s also possible that Walter Sharpe will show the Pistons enough in Summer League to work his way into the mix at small forward.
Langlois: Never say never, Richard, but it’s hard to envision the Pistons bringing him back under the present circumstances. He’d be their highest-paid player but a long way from their best player any more, and they already are trying to carve out more minutes for Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson.
Langlois: I’ll grant you the benefit of having seen him more often than I have, Michael. But I do know Michael Curry speaks highly of him, so that tells me he has something going for him, because Curry has little regard for soft players. Bynum has had his share of highs and lows in Las Vegas. He did have a few turnovers, but also some very nice passes to set up baskets and he busted his backside defensively and showed the ability to be a pest a la Lindsey Hunter. I think the odds are less than 50-50 that he sticks with the Pistons this season, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he did – or stuck with another NBA team.
Langlois: I haven’t seen Calloway since he was at Indiana University. The problem with players like Calloway is they have to be able to do one thing really well to stick in the NBA. If he was a great defender, or a deadly 3-point shooter, or an unflappable ballhandler – and I mean he does one of those things better than 90 percent of all the other 5-11 point guards populating the D-League – then he’d have a good chance of catching somebody’s eye. But guys like him who do everything pretty well and don’t have any glaring weaknesses have a tough time making it to the NBA.
Langlois: The plan is to stash Washington in Europe for a year or two to see how his game rounds out. Right now he doesn’t have enough offense to stick in the NBA. He’s athletic enough that he might be able to stick, regardless, because he has the potential to develop into a top-flight perimeter defender.
Langlois: He had no chance. Brand was going to sign a deal with a starting salary of $12 million or more. In order for the Pistons to get in the running, they would have had to shed almost $20 million worth of contracts – theoretically, they could have entered the bidding for Brand by, say, giving Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince away to teams like Golden State and Memphis who had the cap room to absorb those salaries. That wouldn’t make any sense.
Langlois: There aren’t many free agents who’ll draw full MLE offers. Corey Maggette got more than that from Golden State, but then he opted out of a deal that was already over the MLE. If James Posey gets the maximum amount of money, I doubt he’ll get a full five years. He might be able to leverage his way into a fourth year because interest in him seems pretty high. Mickael Pietrus got a little less than the full MLE. James Jones got five years and $4 million a year from Miami, but only the first two years are guaranteed. Once this first wave passes, there’ll be a lot of player still out of work and a lot of teams who’ve already spent their money.
Langlois: And Toronto picking up Jermaine O’Neal makes the Raptors all that much stronger if he can stay on the floor. But I think it’s safe to assume Joe Dumars knew other teams in the East would be making use of the cap space and assets at their disposal to close the gap. I don’t think anything other teams have done are going to form Joe D’s plan of action.
Langlois: The Pistons had their eyes on Posey a year ago but didn’t have the same role to offer as Boston. They’d be interested in him again – on their terms. I think Posey wants four or five years and I don’t know if the Pistons want to go there for a 31-year-old role player. He was superb in the playoffs, no question, but you have to be awfully careful evaluating players based on that sample size. Posey would help pretty much any contender, but a full mid-level deal – five years starting at the new MLE, just released by the NBA on Tuesday night, at $5.585 million, is a lot of money. Make a mistake and it could tie your hands two, three and four years down the road when you won’t have the chance to bid on better players – or, worse, won’t be able to retain your own free agents.
Langlois: Philly is now a real factor in the Eastern Conference, Aaron, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say the 76ers are better than the Pistons. And that’s as of today. Philly has now played its cards. The Pistons still have moves to make. And even if they make no moves, the Pistons have reason to believe they have plenty of room for internal growth from players like Rodney Stuckey, Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiell and Arron Afflalo. Patience over the summer is advised. There will be plenty of solid players still on the market into August.
Langlois: If the Pistons add a veteran big man, it almost certainly will be Theo Ratliff. And I think it’s possible that Cheikh Samb challenges him for that No. 5 spot. Based on what I saw in Wednesday’s practice in Las Vegas – granted, that’s not a lot to go on – Samb looks a lot more sure of himself and closer to cracking an NBA rotation this summer than last. He’s been in Auburn Hills since the season ended working with the coaches and it looks like things are starting to come naturally for him. Mourning is coming off a major knee injury and is committed to staying in Miami if he continues to play. Horry didn’t look like he had much, if anything, left for the Spurs last season.
Langlois: Amir is much more comfortable guarding closer to the basket, Al. I’m not sure at this point he has the footwork to be chasing quicker small forwards. Amir has amazing straight-line speed for a big man and very good lateral mobility, but defending guys like Paul Pierce and Richard Jefferson is a little much. Besides, one of his great assets is his shot-blocking ability – I don’t think you want to move him very far from the rim.
Langlois: I think it’s a real consideration for the Pistons at this point – with Pietrus and Jones off the market at pretty high price tags – partly because of the year Delfino spent outside the organization. He now knows the grass isn’t necessarily greener, if you know what I mean. The Pistons always thought he had tantalizing potential. He can put the ball on the floor, defend, run and jump. His outside shot was a little erratic and he leaned on it a little too much, but he gained valuable experience as Toronto’s sixth man for most of last season and would come back – if he comes back – a wiser and more experienced player. Delfino was a little high maintenance with the Pistons, thinking he deserved a bigger role than he was ever given, but he got some of the same treatment in Toronto and should have a better understanding of the NBA’s meritocracy system now – playing time goes to those who earn it.
Langlois: Well, Acker’s out, Sam, as I wrote about in my blog on Wednesday. He apparently reinjured the knee that caused him some problems last summer and almost nullified the contract he signed with Barcelona. That’s a real setback for his shot at making the team. But Michael Curry told me that the starters will get the majority of minutes here in Summer League, though they’re also going to try to get good looks at the other players that are their property – draft choices Trent Plaisted and Deron Washington. They also think Will Bynum has a shot to stick, so they’ll want to see how he responds to game situations. Beyond those guys, minutes will be precious for the rest of the roster as they try to catch someone’s eye for a chance to get invited to an NBA camp or sign a contract overseas.
Langlois: I can’t imagine either the Pistons or Livingston seeing the attraction in making a marriage as long as both Chauncey Billups and Rodney Stuckey are on the roster. Livingston, even coming off the devastating knee injury he suffered about 18 months ago, is going to want a little clearer path to playing time than that. And the Pistons couldn’t compete financially with teams who have more than that limited role to offer him. Now, would it be a great luxury to have a guy with the potential of Livingston as the No. 3 point guard? You bet. If he can stay healthy, he has a chance to be a very good player. But unless he drags out his free agency while the Pistons do something dramatic in trade, I don’t see a match here.
Langlois: I wrote on Monday in my blog, Alec, that it would not be at all surprising to hear that Golden State had inquired about Chauncey Billups and suggested the logical exchange would involve either Jackson or, more likely, Al Harrington. But that was before Maggette signed. I still think the Warriors would like to hang on to Jackson, playing him at shooting guard, with Maggette at small forward. They might now be inclined to put Monta Ellis at point guard. We’ll have to see how it shakes out. But as to your point about throwing in someone else – yeah, I agree the Warriors would have to sweeten the pot and I suggested a No. 1 pick would be the likeliest sweetener. But money doesn’t have anything to do with it because when Baron Davis left, the Warriors got way under the salary cap – they could take on a big contract without having to ship out an equally big deal.
Langlois: The Pistons didn’t try to trade for Smith last season. It was reported, but it simply was not true. I think Smith’s spotty behavioral track record makes it unlikely he’s going to get MLE money, though on pure talent he sure would be a candidate. He seems distinctly un-Piston like to me, but you never know.
Langlois: I think he’d object to the notion of purposely taking a step back to horde resources for a run at free agents down the road because the truth is high-caliber free agents rarely change teams, though Elton Brand and Baron Davis are putting the lie to that notion. It’s pretty clear that both New York and New Jersey are positioning themselves to be players in 2010 when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Ray Allen, Amare Stoudemire and Manu Ginobili, among others, are due to hit free agency. But chances are pretty good most of those players wind up back with their old teams. I think it’s possible the Pistons find a trade that might appear to be a step back but turns out not to be – something along the lines of their 2002 deal that sent Jerry Stackhouse away for Rip Hamilton.
Langlois: Still pretty early for that, Boris. I think the teams that have helped themselves the most so far this off-season are Philadelphia, Toronto and Milwaukee. And since Philly and Toronto were already playoff teams, I think they now have a reasonable chance at contending at the top of the East if a few other things go right for them this summer. The Bucks stole Richard Jefferson from New Jersey and got a good one in the draft in Joe Alexander – nice start by former Pistons VP John Hammond – and now look like a playoff team.
Langlois: I got no indication the Pistons tried very hard to move up. The general consensus was they didn’t feel there was any sure thing unless they were able to move up dramatically and there wasn’t anything that tempted them to do so. The Pistons couldn’t have traded Billups for Beasley because Miami couldn’t take on an $11 million contract without sending a similar sum back to the Pistons.
Langlois: Posey was terrific for Boston throughout the postseason. He might have hit as many big shots as Pierce or Allen did. But you can’t say “never mind the money” because the salary cap makes it necessary to mind the money very carefully. And I’d be leery about giving Posey a full mid-level exception deal – at least for the full five years. Three years, sure. Four? Maybe.
Langlois: According to the league’s collective bargaining agreement, it is legal to attach bonuses to a player’s contract. For purposes of calculating salaries related to the salary cap, the league classifies bonuses as either “likely to be achieved” or “unlikely to be achieved” based on the previous season’s numbers. I could find nothing specific about an incentive for winning the title. I suppose, based on a strict interpretation, that only the Boston Celtics would have to classify an incentive to win the NBA title as “likely to be achieved.” But in the first year of a contract, even unlikely to be achieved bonuses count toward the cap.
Langlois: I wasn’t advocating for the trade, only suggesting that given the Warriors’ needs it would be surprising if they didn’t at least check in to Chauncey Billups’ availability and try building a package around Harrington in return. But don’t underestimate Harrington. I think he’d be a lot closer to the guy who averaged 18 points and seven boards a game for Atlanta two years ago if he got back in the Eastern Conference playing a style more compatible with his skills.
Langlois: Atlanta will have to pony up if it wants to keep both Josh Smith and Childress as restricted free agents. The Hawks might decide that paying a full mid-level exception to Childress would be too much of a commitment when he’s playing behind Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams. Much like Corey Maggette, Childress would be a real luxury as a sixth man for a contender. But if somebody throws a ton of money at Smith and the Hawks let him go, then they’ll surely do everything within reason to keep Childress.
Langlois: Not the case, Jerry. The Pistons are over the salary cap just with commitments to their five starters plus Rodney Stuckey, Arron Afflalo, Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiell, Cheikh Samb and rookie Walter Sharpe. Trading Mohammed merely meant that they wouldn’t have his $6 million on the books, as well. That doesn’t mean they can turn around and spent that $6 million on someone else and still use the MLE on another player. Teams over the salary cap can only use the MLE and their bi-annual exception – as the name suggests, you can use it every other year to sign a player for no more than $1.91 million for the coming season – and the veteran’s minimum. The Pistons have all of those in play this year. They could have used the MLE even if they hadn’t traded Mohammed, but they could not have done so without exceeding the luxury-tax threshold – which means they probably would not have used it.
Langlois: We’ll get our first hints at that over the next week or so, Spencer, during the NBA Summer League. Michael Curry told me Wednesday, after putting Sharpe through two days or practice, that he has a great feel for the game and is a hard worker. Those are two pretty good indicators that he’ll be a keeper. I watched him practice and he certainly moves fluidly. He is struggling now with learning assignments and his shot wasn’t going in, but there’s nothing wrong with the stroke.
Langlois: Samb has a long way to go to become the player O’Neal is – or was, at least. O’Neal had very good footwork in the post that made him one of the league’s best on the blocks. Where Samb could approach O’Neal’s impact is as a shot-blocking defender. O’Neal was right there with the very best in the game as an on-the-ball post defender. Samb needs experience more than anything. He has the physical tools to stay in the NBA for a long time.
Langlois: Stern isn’t in the business of initiating franchise relocations. It’s his job to approve or reject them by steering the vote of the owners. No one is going to tell Clippers owner Donald Sterling, who moved the team to Los Angeles from San Diego, that he has to uproot and move anywhere. As for Seattle, I think it’s pretty likely it will again get an NBA team. It’s a growing, vibrant market that just won seed money to refurbish Key Arena or build a new one as part of its settlement with Clay Bennett for moving the Sonics to Oklahoma City. Once that ball gets rolling, you’ll probably hear Memphis and New Orleans mentioned as possible transfers.
Langlois: No, Elle, the NBA doesn’t allow teams to make their telecasts available via DVD. I suspect the production costs of something like that would be prohibitive vs. the revenue potential. But you can find an NBA highlight video of the Pistons’ 2004 championship season on DVD. A simple Google search should point you in the right direction.
Langlois: Josh Smith isn’t going anywhere to be a backup, Norman, and certainly not for the money he’s seeking as a restricted free agent – and he’ll definitely be getting more than $10 million a year should he go back to Atlanta for one more season and hit unrestricted free agency a year from now. Johnson will more than likely find his way into Michael Curry’s rotation next season. Samb has one more year of seasoning to endure before he makes his big push for time, but it’s possible he cracks the back end of the rotation at times this season.
Langlois: I’m not sure what Boston’s pitch is with Maggette, but he’s a swingman who’d have Paul Pierce and Ray Allen ahead of him at his two positions in Boston. I think it’s possible that this Maggette thing takes a few more weeks to play out. Only a few teams can pay him more than the mid-level exception and right now it doesn’t appear any of them are going hard after Maggette. Maybe he’ll wait to see how Philadelphia’s anticipated pursuit of Josh Smith goes. If Smith winds up returning to Atlanta, would the 76ers make a play for Maggette for something above the MLE? Maybe, but he essentially plays the same position as their own restricted free agent, Andre Igoudala. It could be that Maggette is left to choose from among MLE offers from contenders like San Antonio, Boston, Houston, New Orleans and Detroit.
Langlois: Amir’s rebounding numbers per minute were well above average last season, Jesse. Not sure how that will translate once he starts playing more regularly, but I don’t think you can make the case that more minutes for Amir will result in a weaker rebounding team. Those two guys probably can’t guard small forwards on a consistent basis. And while rebounding was a problem against Boston, overall the Pistons were a very good rebounding team last year as measured by percentage of rebounds secured – in other words, they grabbed more rebounds than their opponents.
Langlois: Brown wound up signing with the Sonics instead. That’s understandable given that team’s lack of quality depth at point guard. Nelson will play in the Summer League with Golden State.
Langlois: The thinking could change depending on what’s out there. I don’t suppose that when Joe Dumars said the likely course was to split the MLE that he figured a talent like Maggette could be had at that price. But when Maggette opted out of his contract in a year when not many teams could go above the MLE, a lot of teams decided to take a run at him. If Maggette goes elsewhere, I’m not sure there’s anyone else to whom the Pistons would commit their full MLE. Posey might get similar dollars but not the full five years.
Langlois: Yeah, Dalton, if the Pistons grab a player of that stature, and pay him what it’ll take to get him here, then they’re only doing it because they believe he’s good enough to be in the playing rotation ahead of a second-round draft choice. The Pistons like Sharpe very much, but it would be a pretty big gamble – based on 18 college games played over the last three seasons – to believe he’s going to be ready to join an NBA title contender’s rotation right out of the chute. Then again, Sharpe has a chance to convince them otherwise starting this week in Las Vegas.
Langlois: It’s not an area of priority as things stand now. If Theo Ratliff returns, as seems more likely than not, he’ll go into the season as their No. 5 big man with Cheikh Samb at No. 6. Only Kwame Brown from your list would be someone who’d push Ratliff out of No. 5 – and for the money Brown will command on the open market, that’s a luxury teams can’t afford in the salary cap era.
Langlois: The plan as of now is that he’ll split time between Detroit and Fort Wayne again. All along, the Pistons thought it would be at least two years before Samb was ready to compete for a spot in the rotation. If anything, he surprised them a little last year when he was thrown into the mix early in the season and played pretty well.
Langlois: Good question, Dave. The reason the Pistons’ preference at this time is to stash them in Europe is because that way the Pistons would retain their NBA rights but those players would not take up roster spots. A D-League player who is property of an NBA team occupies a roster spot. So if the Pistons were to keep Plaisted and Washington here this season, they would be part of the 15-man roster whether they spent the season in Detroit or Fort Wayne. With 11 roster spots essentially committed already – the five starters plus Rodney Stuckey, Arron Afflalo, Jason Maxiell, Amir Johnson, Cheikh Samb and rookie Walter Sharpe – that leaves four to go. If both Theo Ratliff and Lindsey Hunter return, that’s 13. And Joe D has said he’d likely use his mid-level exception this summer and, further, likely would split it up over two free agents. That’s 15. Signing Plaisted and Washington would really limit his roster flexibility. And he needs that flexibility, too, in case attractive trades present themselves that would require the Pistons to take three players for two, perhaps, where the extra player is really just a contract the trading partner wanted to unload.
Langlois: I think a trade of two starters for one acknowledged superstar is a possibility, Tre, but when you say “get a starting small forward,” how do you propose doing that? The Pistons are already thin at small forward. If they trade Tayshaun Prince, I think it has to be to bring back a player who’ll take his place at that position. The Pistons have greater flexibility in their backcourt with three starting-caliber players.
Langlois: Something could happen at any minute, Bruce. My best guess is the likeliest window is sometime after the first wave of free agency – right about now – when the destinations of guys like Baron Davis and Elton Brand and Gilbert Arenas gets cleared up and the end of July or early August.
Langlois: If the Pistons come back with all four of their primary perimeter players – Prince, Hamilton, Billups and Stuckey – then I would expect close to an even split of minutes among them. Hamilton kept proving he could guard everyone from Chris Paul to LeBron James last year – seriously, Hamilton’s defensive ability and versatility continues to be a widely overlooked story – and that gives the Pistons a little flexibility in their decision-making on signing a perimeter free agent. The other player in the mix is Arron Afflalo. I think you’ll see him getting a more defined role in his second season.
Langlois: Plaisted has to make a really big impression starting this week at the Las Vegas Summer League in order for the Pistons to change their thinking. They’re not going to keep him here unless they believe he has a chance to help them win games this season, and that’s pretty tough to imagine when he has so many bigs – Wallace, McDyess, Maxiell, Johnson, probably Samb and potentially Ratliff – all ahead of him.
Langlois: A little silly to speculate on who would start after a speculative trade, but Prince isn’t going to be playing power forward on anything more than a situational basis, so under your scenario – Maxiell. But a starting frontcourt of Maxiell and McDyess would be pretty seriously undersized. So I wouldn’t expect that to hold, in any case.
Langlois: Boston just won an NBA title with nothing but power forwards – Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, P.J. Brown, Leon Powe and Glen Davis. They beat the Lakers, who started power forwards Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. DeSagana Diop, who I’m guessing would fit your description of a center, just got a full mid-level exception deal to return to Dallas – a pretty stiff price for a career 2 points per game scorer. Rasheed is, for all intents and purposes, a legit 7-footer. He’s as much a center as anyone else these days. Or would you rather trade for Wallace for Diop?
Langlois: Best or most realistic? Jones is probably the most available. Posey would cost the full mid-level exception and, unless Boston balks at coming close to that figure or shortchanges him by a year or two, is the odds-on favorite to keep him. Pietrus is going to star a lot of interest, too, and might also get the full MLE or something close. Jones wouldn’t cost quite that much. He’s a really good perimeter shooter whose game isn’t quite as well-rounded as the other two, but a lot of folks have long thought he could blossom into something more.
Langlois: You’re right – that’s interesting. It’s also slightly less likely than listing your home and having it sell in 48 hours. Phoenix would definitely want some sweetener and Denver is on the record as saying it won’t trade Anthony, though I think its resolve could be tested.
Langlois: Somebody surely will take a chance on Livingston, Michael. But unless the Pistons trade Chauncey Billups, I don’t think he’d likely see enough opportunity here to make it a match – and the Pistons, intent on getting immediate help for another title run, probably can’t afford the luxury of committing the good chunk of the MLE I think it would take to get Livingston. The D-League wouldn’t be an option for Livingston, who’s been in the NBA more than two years, as long as he’s on an NBA contract. It is an intriguing idea, but I think Livingston is more likely to wind up with a team that can afford to carry him next year – meaning a team with lots of cap space or without high expectations, or both, most likely.
Langlois: There are only two things keeping the Pistons from that trade – the salary cap (Billups and Wallace will make nearly $25 million combined next year; Gordon is a free agent and Thomas will make less than $4 million) and sanity. That’s a really bad deal for the Pistons unless Thomas becomes a star, and he hasn’t given anyone reason to think that in his first two years. Dumars did not say he thought a trade would happen soon. In fact, he said it was very unlikely for it to happen before the draft, and also unlikely to happen until the first wave of free agency blows over.
Langlois: Possible, Cliff. I asked both Dumars and Curry about that possibility. Joe D said he would be OK with that scenario but it wasn’t his first preference. I think he feels that would probably be putting an unfair burden on his new coach – that he somehow would be able to draw out of the same cast of players what Flip Saunders could not. Joe was pretty emphatic about saying all the blame for the lack of fire over the past few postseasons could not be put on Saunders. Curry said he’d be perfectly fine with coaching whatever team Dumars handed him, including the same old cast, because Curry thinks there is still great room for growth within the young core.
Langlois: Almost completely unrelated items, David. In a perfect world, Joe D would like to make the significant trade first and then delve into free agency to fill in the holes. But free agency isn’t going to wait on the Pistons, so it might be that he has to grab the best fit for a roster that could still be in flux – meaning a versatile, all-around player as opposed to a niche specialist like a 3-point shooter or a defensive stopper – within the early stages of free agency and then make his big deal after the dust settles and teams look at what they have. Or don’t have. Jones and Pietrus fit that description – versatile players, shooters and solid defenders.
Langlois: Since the season ended and Joe Dumars declared everyone was on the table, fan reaction has been all over the map. There’s a trade Rasheed faction and a don’t trade Rasheed camp. Ditto for Chauncey Billups. And Tayshaun Prince. Not so much for Rip Hamilton. They’re all highly skilled, very useful, very desirable players. But if Joe D is determined to shake up the mix, then he knows he has to give something of value to get something of value.
Langlois: There will be no right price on Okafor, Jerry. He’s a restricted free agent. The Pistons only have a mid-level exception to offer, which should be somewhere around $5.5 million. Okafor turned down $13 million a year before the season started. The only way he goes to another team is to sign an offer sheet and execute a sign-and-trade, but there are only three or four teams in the league with the kind of money needed to throw at him. He’ll almost certainly be back in Charlotte next season, either playing out the string and becoming an unrestricted free agent next summer or signing a new, long-term extension.
Langlois: Do I think they would have taken him ahead of Carmelo Anthony? No. Dwyane Wade? No. Chris Bosh? No. All of those players had performed at high levels against better competition. But do the Pistons believe Stuckey has a chance to be a player on par with those players someday? Yeah, I think they do.
Langlois: It means that unless Sharpe is dominant or close to it in Las Vegas – the way Rodney Stuckey was a year ago – that I don’t think the Pistons would want to go into a season in which they again feel they can compete for an NBA championship with a critical role entrusted to a second-round draft choice, no matter how bright they think his future might be.
Langlois: You make a valid point, Anders – a Swede who follows Deee-troit basketball, not hockey? – but Joe D isn’t trying to build the second-best team on the planet. He’s trying to win an NBA title and his creation has come up short four years running. The last three of them, he’s detected burning desire as a shortfall against all three teams that prevailed. That’s enough of a litmus test for him. He wants the chemistry to change. I think he’s willing to risk being the third-best team on the planet next year for the chance to be the best.
Langlois: One was a No. 2 pick and is the reigning Rookie of the Year. The other was the No. 2 pick – of the second round – and has played 12 college games in the last three years. Let me get a look at Sharpe in Las Vegas before leaping to that type of conclusion. If the kid’s good enough to crack the fringe of the rotation next year, they’ll be pleased.
Langlois: The Pistons aren’t getting Arenas. They’re talking about at least $100 million over six years for him. Prince isn’t a backup. He’s an Olympian. If you’re going to bring in someone who’s clearly better than him at his position – not too many on that list – then it’s almost certain Prince would be involved in the trade to bring that person in. You can’t have someone making almost $10 million – more than 15 percent of the way toward exceeding the salary cap – playing as a “situational defender.” That’s what you use your veteran minimum salary slot for. Jefferson and Kaman? Not unless the Pistons are willing to send major pieces back.
Langlois: Don’t forget Amir Johnson and Cheikh Samb, too. Both of those young big guys are extremely hard workers. It’s going to be a very interesting Summer League this year with that many players involved who will be playing significant roles for their NBA team the following season. That’s unusual.
Langlois: There’s no question Walter Sharpe has more of a boom-or-bust dynamic to him than White, who I think is going to be a solid NBA player for a long time. But the Pistons saw in Sharpe someone who has a chance to be a player who, in five years or so, we’ll look back on and say he should have gone in the top 10 or 15 picks in this draft. Plus, Joe Dumars said that as much as they liked White, they thought he came a little too close to duplicating when they already had in Jason Maxiell.
Langlois: Forget cap space. The money the Pistons have to go shopping with this summer is the mid-level exception. That’s the amount of the average annual NBA salary, expected to be about $5.6 million or so. Joe Dumars has said he doubts he’ll spend all of that on one player, instead breaking it up over two free agents. It’s just guesswork at this point because agents have just begun to shop their clients around and usually the top-tier free agents will set the market by signing first. One name that I find intriguing is Golden State’s Mickael Pietrus. The Warriors have lots of irons in the fire – Baron Davis just bolted for the Clippers and Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins are restricted free agents – and they might have to wait for other dominos to fall before getting around to Pietrus, which could allow someone else to sneak in and steal him away.
Langlois: Whether you buy it or not, Evan, it’s undeniable. Brand opted out of a contract that was due to pay him $16.4 million next year. For the sake of argument, let’s say he would agree to a multiyear contract that starts at $15 million a year. The Pistons were roughly $10 million over the cap last season – just a hair below the luxury-tax line. They have about $60 million committed to 10 players next season. To sign Brand, they’d have to be $15 million below the salary cap – which means they’d have to find someone willing to take one of their four core veterans off their hands without taking any salary back in return. That’s virtually impossible to do, never mind nutty. To clarify: In order to sign Elton Brand, the Pistons would have to get their payroll down to about $40 million. Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince combined will make about $45 million next season. Not happening.
Langlois: At some price, Krstic is a good risk, T.J. I’m just not sure the Pistons would make the most sense for Krstic. If you think New Jersey’s frontcourt is crowded, take a look at Detroit’s. Even though McDyess and Wallace are getting up there, I’m not sure how the Pistons could absorb the type of salary Krstic will command unless they do it as part of a sign-and-trade. Could the Nets be tempted to take on Wallace or McDyess as part of a sign-and-trade for Krstic? Sure, because both have contracts that will be off the books in time for the Summer of LeBron in 2010. But the Pistons would have to be awfully convinced that Krstic was sound physically. He wasn’t nearly the same player this year as before hurting his knee midway through the 2006-07 season.
Langlois: Sure. The Clippers can go over the salary cap to sign Brand, but not to sign another team’s free agents. From what I can figure out, it looks like the Clippers have about $30 million committed to next season’s payroll without Brand and Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston on the books. They’re getting Davis at a reasonable price – five years and $65 million, meaning he’ll start at about $10 million. They’d have to start Brand higher than that, but it looks as if they’re prepared to do that.
Langlois: Sharpe would have to show something pretty special in Las Vegas for the Pistons to not pursue a veteran capable of handling backup minutes at small forward, in my opinion. But maybe the Pistons think they could get by for a good chunk of the season with some combination of Sharpe and Arron Afflalo behind Prince. There’s also Alex Acker in the mix at guard, which could free Afflalo up for more minutes at Prince’s position, and Walter Herrmann remains a possibility if he doesn’t sign in Europe.
Langlois: If you were talking about getting the Allen Iverson of five years ago, maybe. I would be leery of taking him on at this stage of his career at the kind of money he commands – $22 million next year. To get him in trade, you’d have to give up two of your core pieces, and that’s not an equitable deal for the Pistons. If the Pistons could get him for what Garnett cost Boston – essentially, one nice young prospect (and, no, I would not include Rodney Stuckey in any deal for Iverson at this point), a future first-rounder and some spare parts – then, sure. But not for two virtual All-Stars.
Langlois: He’s a restricted free agent and even though the Warriors have a lot of business on their hands, I can’t imagine them not doing what it takes to keep an athletic young big man.
Langlois: A lot of people are skeptical of Villanueva’s long-term future and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if John Hammond was shopping him, although last week’s trade of Yi Jianlian to New Jersey for Richard Jefferson makes Villanueva the presumptive starter at power forward for the Bucks. But if Joe Dumars got him for a second-rounder, the NBA would surely think he and his former VP, Hammond, were in cahoots.
Langlois: No reason to think he isn’t.
Langlois: I’ll refer you to Mailbag FAQ, Abdul.
Langlois: Whoever Joe Dumars has on his radar, he’s keeping that to himself. There’s no benefit, but potential harm, for Dumars in making known his pecking order of off-season trade targets. As for standing pat and putting faith in Michael Curry’s ability to get something out of players that Flip Saunders didn’t, it’s an option but it’s not the preference, as Joe Dumars told me in a Q&A I did with him in June.
Langlois: That’s a really undersized team that, in my view, takes the Pistons about three big steps backward.
Langlois: I haven’t seen Acker since he left the NBA, but the Pistons wouldn’t be inviting him to Las Vegas unless they thought he had a chance to stick. They drafted him and liked what they saw in him during his rookie season and encouraged him to try Europe for seasoning. Now they’re going to get a firsthand look at how many strides he’s taken since then. Yes, people who have seen both leagues say the Euroleague is more physical since the NBA cracked down within the last three years.
Langlois: Two of the Pistons’ five games in Las Vegas will be telecast by NBA-TV, Chris – the July 11 opener (8 p.m. EDT) vs. the Lakers and the July 17 (4 p.m. EDT) game with Dallas. Every other game from Las Vegas should be available via webcam on NBA.com.
Langlois: Not a chance, Ryan. Look, Baron Davis is an incredible talent, but you don’t get him at his best anywhere close to all the time. Most GMs, I’m guessing, would prefer the constancy and stability Chauncey Billups provides. Even if you thought Davis was good value for Billups, would you really want to throw Wallace in to boot? Last week’s reports that the Pistons had discussed Billups and Wallace for Davis and Al Harrington have been widely debunked. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Golden State made a play for Billups now that Davis has left them in the lurch. The question is, what do the Warriors have left the Pistons really want? Al Harrington would be a nice piece, but you’ve got to get more than Harrington for Billups.
Langlois: Stuckey’s postseason play has him in line to get similar minutes to the big three perimeter players next season. Bringing Prince off the bench as opposed to one of the other three doesn’t strike me as a great plan. There are a lot of small forwards in the league that Hamilton can guard, but I wouldn’t want to give him a steady diet of players bigger and stronger than him for fear of exposing him to injury or fatigue. The more prudent option would be to find a really good option to Prince at small forward, someone who gives the Pistons defensive versatility. Who knows? That could wind up being Arron Afflalo.
Langlois: What, you think Joe Dumars went on vacation? Trust me, he’s working the phones as aggressively as any of his peers and more than most. Just because it’s not finding its way into the papers and on the Internet doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Some teams are better at controlling leaks than others.
Langlois: No. If you match an offer to keep a restricted free agent, you can’t trade that player for a year unless the player consents to a trade – but he can’t be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet. So if Smith signs with Philly and Atlanta matches, he can’t be traded to Philly under any circumstances.
Langlois: Diop sounds like he’s going to get the full mid-level exception or close to it from somebody, which tells you about the quality of the market for big men. So, no, the MLE isn’t going to satisfy both of your perceived needs.
Langlois: No word yet on Hunter. My hunch is he’s leaning toward one more year. I would expect to see McDyess back. If Joe D can follow through on his intention to shake up the roster a little, then Prince figures to be one of the more likely to be in the trade mix because he’s a guy a lot of teams would like to have.
